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Msg ID: 2755898 HAA Minimums +1/-2     
Author:New Hire Experience
12/9/2022 6:18:25 PM

There was a time when Keystone Helicopter required 3000 hours for EMS pilot positions. A Hospital with it's own Part 135 cert in Central and NE PA, and who use to be with Keystone back in the day dropped to 2000 hours a couple of years ago. Now they hire 1700 hour pilots.

How much lower can it go in such a challenging enviornment over the endless mountains?



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Msg ID: 2755902 HAA Minimums +3/-1     
Author:Wwjd
12/9/2022 7:18:05 PM

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Even if that hospital drops the hours to 1one keep away. There's a reason the requirement is lower and either to retain or hire pilots. 



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Msg ID: 2755903 HAA Minimums +1/-0     
Author:Endless mountains?
12/9/2022 7:38:56 PM

Reply to: 2755898

You do mean folded hills strewn with wires, right?



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Msg ID: 2755908 HAA Minimums +6/-0     
Author:Fake mountains
12/9/2022 9:19:50 PM

Reply to: 2755903

The terrain in Pennsylvania is hilly at best. Mountains? Nah, there highest "mountains" are 2500-3000 feet.



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Msg ID: 2755910 HAA Minimums +3/-4     
Author:As low as
12/9/2022 10:06:50 PM

Reply to: 2755898

Tree Fiddy???????



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Msg ID: 2755914 HAA Minimums +5/-1     
Author::-)
12/9/2022 11:23:13 PM

Reply to: 2755898
There was also a time when HEMS jobs were one of the better career destinations for guys/gals with a helicopter background.


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Msg ID: 2755917 HAA Minimums +3/-1     
Author:Localguy
12/10/2022 4:59:24 AM

Reply to: 2755914

advise all who think of applying the interview is with the medical crews, no pilots. The hospital and medics assume pilots are not smart enough to make a decision

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Msg ID: 2755920 HAA Minimums +2/-3     
Author:Jake from State Farm
12/10/2022 7:33:31 AM

Reply to: 2755917

It's all about what the insurwance industry will endure.  They set the minimums by having crazy premiums.  

 

I would argue that a 1700 pilot flies no differntly than a 2000 hour pilot for the most part.



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Msg ID: 2755971 HAA Minimums +1/-1     
Author:Depends
12/10/2022 8:09:21 PM

Reply to: 2755920

It depends on what the aviator in question has spent his 1700-2000 hours doing...



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Msg ID: 2755968 that statement belongs in.. (NT) +0/-1     
Author:"things that never happened"
12/10/2022 7:50:23 PM

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Msg ID: 2756024 HAA Minimums +0/-1     
Author:BobsAuntie
12/11/2022 1:50:43 PM

Reply to: 2755898

Turns out flying isn't the hard part. Landing is



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Msg ID: 2756028 HAA Minimums +0/-0     
Author:20 years ago and 800 fewer helicopters
12/11/2022 2:34:25 PM

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Back in the day, they could afford to be picky. Then came competition and the profiteers. The base pay in that same area has gone from 40K to 100K+. Not bad money for sitting around all day logging 120 hours a year.


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Msg ID: 2756034 HAA Minimums +0/-0     
Author:120 hours?
12/11/2022 4:22:19 PM

Reply to: 2756028

Damn, I logged 147 hours last year.  I must be a company man.  Time to slack off and turn down calls.  But then, we wouldn't get our 110K call target. :) 



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Msg ID: 2756048 HAA Minimums +0/-1     
Author:I do 200 plus every year
12/11/2022 10:54:00 PM

Reply to: 2756034

thats like 16 whole hours a month



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Msg ID: 2756054 HAA Minimums +1/-3     
Author:They could never be that picky
12/12/2022 8:17:06 AM

Reply to: 2756028

EMS has always been scrounging for pilots. It's a load of bullsh*t that once upon a time they only hired high time pilots that were phds in helicopter science.



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Msg ID: 2756057 HAA Minimums +1/-1     
Author:Ghost of Jimmy L
12/12/2022 8:38:22 AM

Reply to: 2756054

Circa 2005, I was told by the chief pilot of CJSAG that the average applicant had 6000 hours.  There were still a lot of Vietnam guys out there.



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Msg ID: 2756068 HAA Minimums +0/-2     
Author:sorry no
12/12/2022 10:44:27 AM

Reply to: 2756057

I knew actual real live people getting hired that had less 2,000 during that time, same as now. 



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Msg ID: 2756071 HAA Minimums +3/-1     
Author:olderendirt
12/12/2022 10:50:17 AM

Reply to: 2756068

I knew actual real live people getting hired that had less 2,000 during that time, same as now. 

That's a fact, jack, at some programs. Has been so for 20 years. The Vietnam guys (I'm one) are hanging it up, tired of it or just not flight physical-able. If it took me 73 years to grow up, at least I finally did.



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Msg ID: 2756696 HAA Minimums +0/-0     
Author:Just
12/19/2022 10:44:11 PM

Reply to: 2756071

leave that grow up stuff where it belongs and go have fun doing something else.  Hiking and etc weigh heavily on staying,somewhat, in shape.

I could have done a few more years but the generation gaps in the pilot roster were making base culture a little too much.



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Msg ID: 2756175 HAA Minimums +1/-2     
Author:Calculate
12/13/2022 9:16:45 AM

Reply to: 2756028

the per-flight hour pay.  Looks even better.



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Msg ID: 2756179 HAA Minimums +0/-1     
Author:Yeah sure
12/13/2022 9:52:40 AM

Reply to: 2756175

you make 800 an hour but you do have to be there for the other 2000 hours a year



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Msg ID: 2756257 HAA Minimums +1/-0     
Author:Yes
12/14/2022 6:54:42 AM

Reply to: 2756179

But, 120K/65 = 1,846$/flt hr

And don't say it doesn't exist.



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Msg ID: 2756695 HAA Minimums (NT) +0/-0     
Author:True!
12/19/2022 10:34:51 PM

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Msg ID: 2756207 HAA Minimums +1/-0     
Author:Been there
12/13/2022 1:46:58 PM

Reply to: 2755898

Supply and Demand.  Fewer pilots = lower mins (especially when they're not paying community median or better salary).  Actual difference in experience  betwee 1700 - 2000 hours is probably not a big deal (look what Part 121 did with ATP and hours).  Much more important is the person and what they did in that time.  That particular company had to lower the mins becuase it wasn't attracting any pilots willing to accept the lower than median salary for a SPIFR job. They were once competitve but not so much anymore.



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