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2750413 |
HAA ‘pool pilots’ +2/-3
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Author:GOM Flyer
11/25/2022 3:52:00 PM
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Awhile back Air Evac was advertising for EC135 pool pilots, supposedly paying $120k+. It seems like all of the other major HAA operators also use pool pilots to cover new bases / scheduling gaps, but I haven't seen much info regarding pay and benefits.
For all of you pool pilots on the HAA side... what is the pay like? Do you get a stipend for being a pool pilot? 7/7 schedule, commuting on your 'off days'? Are there any other operators that hire externally for pool pilot positions, or do you typically have to start at one base and transfer internally? |
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2750416 |
Point of Information! If you are commuting on your day off +3/-4
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Author:it's NOT a day off!
11/25/2022 4:04:55 PM
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You are deadheading for your company (ground or air transporting). They need you somewhere, it's work for you to get there. Simple.
It is DUTY! You are not OFF. You must count that as part of your duty peroid for the lookback clock. You need to account for it on your duty/timesheet.
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2750420 |
AMC National Pool Pilot +5/-1
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Author:B&W
11/25/2022 4:17:32 PM
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Air Methods does use National Pool pilots. Basically, you cover bases that have a need for long term relief while they hire for that base. They try to schedule you to work 7 on and 7 off at that base, week after week. You will travel to that base they day before and generally fly home the day after your 7 day shift ends. Travel days are paid at the OT rate. So, generally, you will work a 9/5 schedule. Once that position is filled, off to the next base that has a need for a long term relief. You get paid the ACCRA of Denver, 110% I believe, for your straight time. Now, you serve at the needs of AMC, so anything goes with the schedule. However, they try not to screw you over to much. You are a union pilot so everything in the contract applies to you, just like a "base" pilot. You can also email a pilot recruiter in Denver and they will be more than happy to fill you in on the position so you can make an informed decision. Good luck. |
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2750423 |
AMC National Pool Pilot +3/-2
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Author:what he said
11/25/2022 5:16:43 PM
Reply to: 2750420
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They hire new into pool and do internal transfers, often from closed bases.
Long term vacancies, sometime new bases which need quick ramp up. Your spot is posted. They hire someone, off you go. Some stay a few months, some stay years. No minimum time in pool, can apply for open permanent positions any time.
Base pay
10% Accra
$50 per day per diem (13/14/23) including travel days about 10k/year
1.5 for travel door to door, 8hr travel equivalent to 1 day pay.
Company paid airline, rental car, rental car fuel.,Lodging, usually hotel, could be company provided housing. Quality may vary. Not buying fuel for personal vehicle to drive to work.
Schedule, vacation accrual and usage, day to day at the base, like a permanent pilot.
Assignment based off company needs without your input, they are slowly starting to consider reducing travel requirements. May consider aircraft model experience, usually don't.
Travel not local in nature considered duty. Don't fly/drive 8 hours and then start your shift.
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2750484 |
"local in nature" is considered a quick drive to a hotel from airport +0/-2
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Author:or your normal commute to/from work
11/26/2022 8:37:35 AM
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commutes to/from work are on you because it is from your resident to your domicile place of work. IOWs, you are domiciled (based) at X, so your drive from home to X is on you. If you drive to Y instead of X for your employer, it is no longer "local in nature", and is not considered part of your rest.
If you are co-domiciled (ie, assigned to two or more places), then going to/from home to any of those places is considered "local in nature" provided it is reasonable.
"local in nature" has no fixed distance requirement, and is not a universally applied radius from your domicile base elsewhere. It is duty to ground transport yourself (drive, ride, bus, taxi, walk, etc) from your domicile to another, or from your home to a place other than your domicile.
You are on duty! And, you cannot count that as part of your regulatory rest requirement (which includes counting it as a "day off")
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Msg ID:
2750424 |
AMC National Pool Pilot +1/-4
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Author:OP
11/25/2022 5:23:04 PM
Reply to: 2750420
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Thank you for the info.
So if AMC is paying $85k to start, 110% modifier, and 1.5 for travel days... as a pool pilot you should be making around $134k annually for a 9/5 schedule? ($93.5k base + 52 travel days at 1.5)
Is it possible to do 16/12 or any other schedule variations? What about PTO? |
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2750422 |
Point of Information! If you are commuting on your day off +0/-2
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Author:Is it
11/25/2022 4:43:37 PM
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Considerd 135 duty time? |
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2750425 |
Point of Information! If you are commuting on your day off +0/-1
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Author:I don’t duty in for travel.
11/25/2022 5:38:04 PM
Reply to: 2750422
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but it is considered duty so you need the 10 hour look back for rest. AMC pay is about 100 with the 110%. 35-40 hours a month OT for travel plus the per diem puts you at about 140 a year. Go ahead and get all upset because I don't duty in for travel. I don't care. |
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Msg ID:
2750427 |
You are REQUIRED to keep a duty log. That's duty! +1/-1
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Author:Can't prove your 13 days off if you ...
11/25/2022 6:21:08 PM
Reply to: 2750425
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... have duty you don't log. Training, travel, meetings, company work (administrative chores/lead pilot chores), etc, are DUTY and need to be logged as such to comply with FARs. Certificate holders are responsible to ensure all duty a flight crewmember performs is accounted for in their individual duty log. |
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2750430 |
You are REQUIRED to keep a duty log. That's duty! +2/-1
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Author:Example A
11/25/2022 9:06:39 PM
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Of getting carried away with things that don't matter. |
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Msg ID:
2750431 |
Dude needs to google pedantic (NT) +1/-0
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Author:Anonymous
11/25/2022 9:51:37 PM
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2750486 |
You should google willful ignorance.... (NT) +0/-1
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Author:135.63
11/26/2022 8:48:46 AM
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2750487 |
Technically, the Certificate Holders is REQUIRED to keep such record +0/-0
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Author:but they've delegated it to the pilot
11/26/2022 8:58:05 AM
Reply to: 2750430
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"I attest the information contained in this duty time report is accurate and complete"
It's why they make YOU sign it! |
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Msg ID:
2750490 |
IOWs, you not showing duty for your company travel jeopardizes THEIR (NT) +0/-1
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Author:certificate in addition to yours!
11/26/2022 9:49:28 AM
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Msg ID:
2750604 |
No such thing as 135 duty time. It either just duty or its just not! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Duty is duty, 135, 121, 91, all the same
11/27/2022 3:15:52 PM
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2750477 |
Point of Information! If you are commuting on your day off +1/-1
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Author:ALPO
11/26/2022 6:43:11 AM
Reply to: 2750416
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No dog in the fight but you are referencing Part 117 which only qpplies to part 121 operations when you say that dead heading is considered duty time. |
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2750483 |
Nope! Referring to Part 135 too! Deadheading is deadheading because it (NT) +1/-2
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Author:is a DUTY (work) to certificate holder
11/26/2022 8:27:19 AM
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2750495 |
Nope! Referring to Part 135 too! Deadheading is deadheading because it +1/-0
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Author:Riddle me this
11/26/2022 10:10:57 AM
Reply to: 2750483
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Ya just finished up a 12 hour night shift on 7th night, it's now 0800. You now have an all day commercial airline commute from your base back to your home half way accross the country. You don't have to be back to work for 7 days now. You must.
A. Duty out at 0800 and go get 10 hour rest before you can commute back home via commercial airline and then after 10 hours duty back in for the commute home?
B. Duty out at 0800, disregard the 10 hour rest and commute home without even messing with duty log? |
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Msg ID:
2750497 |
Why would you need 10 hrs of rest to fly commercial? +1/-2
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Author:Anonymous
11/26/2022 10:29:19 AM
Reply to: 2750495
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10 hrs of rest lookback is required for you to PILOT a Part 135 flight, not to commute, train, meet, mop, wash, go to get drug tested, etc. So, you can leave work, go fly home commercially, and THEN duty off!
Then, when you fly back, you duty on leaving your home to travel, and duty off when you get to the hotel/quarters to start your 10 hour rest requirement before you can accept another Part 135 flight.
You can be on duty for 24, 36, 48 hours, you just can't act as a flight crewmember if you can't show 10 hours of rest looking back 24 hours from the completion time of that planned flight.
The duty log reports any and all duty, which includes company travel, meetings, work, beeper duty, janitorial chores, training, etc) because they are all DUTY time! |
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Msg ID:
2750498 |
Let me ask this turning it around.... +0/-3
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Author:Anonymous
11/26/2022 10:41:35 AM
Reply to: 2750495
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If you duty off at 0800 and fly home commerically, what time can you begin your next Part 135.267(d) duty period?
According to your duty/time sheet in this case, 1800. Is that accurate? Is that legal? Is that properly logged?
FAR 135.63(a)(4) |
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2750500 |
Let me ask this turning it around.... +6/-0
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Author:You’re going off duty for seven days
11/26/2022 11:13:52 AM
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Who gives a crap |
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2750504 |
Let me ask this turning it around.... +0/-0
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Author:Who gives
11/26/2022 12:12:53 PM
Reply to: 2750500
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A crap guy is only one who knows what he talking about. Clearly. |
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2750505 |
Let me ask this turning it around.... +1/-0
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Author:When I step off the airplane at
11/26/2022 12:18:30 PM
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my home airport, I could get ramp checked while walking through the terminal and boy would I be in big trouble. lol |
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2750506 |
Let me ask this turning it around.... +0/-0
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Author:Straight to
11/26/2022 12:28:48 PM
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Jail pard they got ya dead to rights. |
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Msg ID:
2750510 |
They don't ramp check pilots deadheading (because they aren't +0/-0
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Author:acting as flight crewmembers there)
11/26/2022 1:39:26 PM
Reply to: 2750505
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They are simply passengers who are still on-duty for their company and not on rest. But, they aren't in violation of any FAR (except for not documenting it properly for the future)
Duty is duty, and it is a duty time log! |
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Msg ID:
2750507 |
6 days, so your proof of 13 off in a quarter is already (NT) +0/-1
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Author:not based on accurate record keeping
11/26/2022 12:37:12 PM
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2750508 |
6 days, so your proof of 13 off in a quarter is already +1/-0
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Author:Well in that case
11/26/2022 12:54:26 PM
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Neither are yours |
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Msg ID:
2750509 |
All my duty time is properly documented on the report (NT) +0/-1
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Author:bearing my signature.
11/26/2022 1:19:28 PM
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2750511 |
All my duty time is properly documented on the report +0/-0
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Author:So is mine
11/26/2022 1:46:29 PM
Reply to: 2750509
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And so is everyone else's, bearing their signature ofcourse.
What if you forgot to sign it and it's like 3-5 days after the end of month. Your at home on off week and realize you forgot to sign it. Would you duty in to sign your signature and then duty out. Or would ya just sign it and move on with your day? |
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Msg ID:
2750512 |
no because you are doing at YOU leisure. +0/-1
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Author:But...
11/26/2022 1:50:46 PM
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... if the Company calls on you to com in to chat with the Chief Pilot for failing to properly document your duty time, that meeting is DUTY |
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2750523 |
6 days, so your proof of 13 off in a quarter is already +1/-0
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Author:it's kind of like currency
11/26/2022 3:54:09 PM
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all you have log is enough landings. nothing a single one more. I certainly can show 13 off in a quarter so not changing. |
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2750527 |
Except this is an opposite effect type of logging.... +0/-1
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Author:For instance, ....
11/26/2022 4:05:37 PM
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For instance, you log going off duty.... then you show you have had enough time off before you cao come on again, except you've WORKED between logging off duty and coming back on. So, you aren't showing that you have enough time off, when you snuck in some duty time in there after you've logged off!
You're log is not to be trusted if they see you've worked and have not shown corresponding duty time. POI's can cross-reference training records (ground school), safety meeting rosters, pay/travel records, etc to easily see your DUTY report is not accurately reflecting your actual DUTY time.
Company assures FAA/POI their duty time reports are designed to ensure pilots meet the FAR requirements, but that only works when pilots are actually reporting their DUTY times!
Travel for the company, training, meetings, etc are DUTY! |
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2750531 |
Except this is an opposite effect type of logging.... +0/-0
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Author:so don't trust my duty log
11/26/2022 4:29:41 PM
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have a ball |
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Msg ID:
2750533 |
Except this is an opposite effect type of logging.... +0/-0
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Author:opposite effect logging
11/26/2022 4:30:36 PM
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lol |
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Msg ID:
2750591 |
You're being trite! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
11/27/2022 1:42:42 PM
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Msg ID:
2750513 |
Pole vaulting over mouse turds! (NT) +3/-0
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Author:get a life
11/26/2022 2:48:25 PM
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Msg ID:
2750514 |
Point of Information! If you are commuting on your day off +2/-1
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Author:Enough Already.
11/26/2022 3:08:32 PM
Reply to: 2750416
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Please stop this stupid thread!!! You all think you are so smart. If you think there is a problem here, please direct your comment/complaints to the FAA. It's like you think something is happening that has not been happening for many years! Geesh!! |
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Msg ID:
2750515 |
doesn't happen where I work! where do you work for (NT) +0/-0
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Author:many years?
11/26/2022 3:20:39 PM
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2750516 |
Point of Information! If you are commuting on your day off +1/-1
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Author:Actually
11/26/2022 3:21:05 PM
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This is a productive and informative thread ya downer. |
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2750535 |
Point of Information! If you are commuting on your day off +2/-0
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Author:ALPO
11/26/2022 4:55:24 PM
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https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%20117-3.pdf</p>
11. COMMUTING AND DEADHEAD TRANSPORTATION. There has been quite a bit of confusion on the part of the general public with regard to the terms “commuting” and “deadhead transportation” or “deadheading.” Both are transportation terms normally used by the airline industry.
a. Deadheading. The airline industry refers to the term deadheading as any time that an air carrier assigns a flightcrew member to be transported by a mode of transportation, usually by air, from one location to another and that same flightcrew member is not functioning as an operating flight flightcrew member. Normally, the concept of deadheading is used to move a flightcrew member so that they can be in position to function as an operating flightcrew member for a flight or series of flights. In basic terms, deadheading is an air carrier means of matching crews with the location of their aircraft.
b. Commuting. In contrast, the concept of commuting involves an individual flightcrew member that does not reside within their domicile. This flightcrew member then uses some mode of transportation to get to and from the domicile. Most commuters prefer to commute by air as it provides them with the most flexibility. Unlike deadheading, the commuting flightcrew member is solely responsible for determining and using the mode of transportation to commute to and from their domicile. In basic terms, commuting is an individual initiated function.
Part 135 float/pool pilots commute to their location. They do not deadhead. |
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Msg ID:
2750536 |
Point of Information! If you are commuting on your day off +1/-0
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Author:That’s for 121 ops
11/26/2022 5:27:35 PM
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Not 135 ops. Cool story tho |
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Msg ID:
2750538 |
just the opposite: they are deadheading, not commuting (NT) +1/-1
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Author:company sends them to assignments
11/26/2022 7:10:49 PM
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2750539 |
Point of Information! If you are commuting on your day off +0/-1
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Author:Just
11/26/2022 7:47:24 PM
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new generation coming on line. Since history is of no one's interest things are just going to be repeated, incessantly. |
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Msg ID:
2750544 |
Point of Information! If you are commuting on your day off +0/-1
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Author:Historically
11/26/2022 9:00:17 PM
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How was duty time logged? Like 4 lines with 1 line drawn diagonal through it, big brain stuff like that? Scratch lines in the dirt or slide beads on a wire? |
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2750548 |
Point of Information! If you are commuting on your day off +0/-1
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Author:Anonymous
11/26/2022 10:33:47 PM
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[Can't link the letter of interp since the URL contains the name Neg ron and JH won't allow it typed. you will have to look it up yourself if you want to see the actual letter]
2009 Neg ron-3
Office of the Chief Counsel
800 Independence Ave., S.W. Washington. D.C. 20591
Dear Mr. Neg^ron, [had to hyphenate the name because JH won't allow the spelling as is]
This is in response to your May 14, 2009, request for a legal interpretation. Specifically, you question whether a pilot, conducting operations under part 135, may merely estimate his or her flight and duty time on a record that is required to be kept to show compliance with the flight time limitation and rest requirements of part 135, and be in compliance with 14 C.F.R. § 61.59.
Section §6 l .59(a)(2) prohibits a person from making, or causing to be made, any "fraudulent or intentionally false entry in any logbook, record or report that is required to be kept, made, or used to show compliance with any requirement for the issuance or exercise of the privileges of any certificate, rating, or authorization under [part 61]." ·14 C.F.R. § 61.59. Section 61.59 would apply to your scenario if the pilot in question needed to use the record to show compliance with any requirement under part 61 for his or her certificate or rating. See Legal Interpretation 1997-8 (Apr. 9, 1997). Furthermore, whether §61.59 has been violated is a question of fact that relies on the knowledge and intent of the individual when making such entries and whether such entries are material and actually relied upon by the FAA. Id Based on the limited· factual scenario you have provided, we cannot say whether the FAA would view such an estimation of flight time to be fraudulent or intentionally false under §61.59.
We note, however, that pursuant to § 135.63, each certificate holder is required to keep an individual record of each pilot that conducts operations. That record must provide, among other things, the "pilot's flight time in sufficient detail to determine compliance with the flight time limitations of [part 135]." 14 C.F.R. § 135.63(a)(4)(vii). An estimation of flight time, especially an estimate that understates the number of hours flown, would not be sufficient to show compliance with § 135.63. Furthermore, to the extent the pilot may use that record as a basis for determining whether to accept an assignment under any of the provisions of subpart F of part 135, such a determination may not be made on a mere estimation. That record must contain accurate information of sufficient detail to show compliance with the flight and duty time limitations of subpart F.
We appreciate your patience and trust that the above responds to your concerns. If you need further assistance, please contact my staff at (202) 267-3073. This response was prepared by Anne Bechdolt, Acting Manager of the Operations Law Branch of the Regulations Division of the Office of the Chief Counsel, and coordinated with the Air Transportation Division of Flight Standards Service.
Sincerely, AJ/4-,&;._,)
f~ Rebecca B. ~Pherson Assistant Chief Counsel for Regulations, AGC-200 |
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2750550 |
For those who think this is a trite matter: +0/-1
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Author:Anonymous
11/26/2022 10:50:06 PM
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[Can't link the letter of interp since the URL contains the name Neg ron and JH won't allow it typed. you will have to look it up yourself if you want to see the actual letter]
2009 Neg ron-3
Office of the Chief Counsel
800 Independence Ave., S.W. Washington. D.C. 20591
Dear Mr. Neg^ron, [had to hyphenate the name because JH won't allow the spelling as is]
This is in response to your May 14, 2009, request for a legal interpretation. Specifically, you question whether a pilot, conducting operations under part 135, may merely estimate his or her flight and duty time on a record that is required to be kept to show compliance with the flight time limitation and rest requirements of part 135, and be in compliance with 14 C.F.R. § 61.59.
Section §6 l .59(a)(2) prohibits a person from making, or causing to be made, any "fraudulent or intentionally false entry in any logbook, record or report that is required to be kept, made, or used to show compliance with any requirement for the issuance or exercise of the privileges of any certificate, rating, or authorization under [part 61]." ·14 C.F.R. § 61.59. Section 61.59 would apply to your scenario if the pilot in question needed to use the record to show compliance with any requirement under part 61 for his or her certificate or rating. See Legal Interpretation 1997-8 (Apr. 9, 1997). Furthermore, whether §61.59 has been violated is a question of fact that relies on the knowledge and intent of the individual when making such entries and whether such entries are material and actually relied upon by the FAA. Id Based on the limited· factual scenario you have provided, we cannot say whether the FAA would view such an estimation of flight time to be fraudulent or intentionally false under §61.59.
We note, however, that pursuant to § 135.63, each certificate holder is required to keep an individual record of each pilot that conducts operations. That record must provide, among other things, the "pilot's flight time in sufficient detail to determine compliance with the flight time limitations of [part 135]." 14 C.F.R. § 135.63(a)(4)(vii). An estimation of flight time, especially an estimate that understates the number of hours flown, would not be sufficient to show compliance with § 135.63. Furthermore, to the extent the pilot may use that record as a basis for determining whether to accept an assignment under any of the provisions of subpart F of part 135, such a determination may not be made on a mere estimation. That record must contain accurate information of sufficient detail to show compliance with the flight and duty time limitations of subpart F.
We appreciate your patience and trust that the above responds to your concerns. If you need further assistance, please contact my staff at (202) 267-3073. This response was prepared by Anne Bechdolt, Acting Manager of the Operations Law Branch of the Regulations Division of the Office of the Chief Counsel, and coordinated with the Air Transportation Division of Flight Standards Service.
Sincerely, AJ/4-,&;._,)
f~ Rebecca B. ~Pherson Assistant Chief Counsel for Regulations, AGC-200 |
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2750551 |
For those who think this is a trite matter: +0/-0
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Author:you may want to look up the word
11/26/2022 11:37:23 PM
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trite |
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2750554 |
For those who think this is a [lacking the freshness that evokes attention (NT) +0/-0
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Author:or interest] matter:
11/26/2022 11:47:58 PM
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2750567 |
For those who think this is a [lacking the freshness that evokes attention +0/-2
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Author:Your here
11/27/2022 9:56:31 AM
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Aren't ya dummy :) |
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2750588 |
Isn't the expression "Nobody Cares" a bit trite? (NT) +1/-1
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Author:Trite Lives Matter!
11/27/2022 1:34:02 PM
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2750580 |
For those who think this is a [lacking the freshness that evokes attention +0/-1
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Author:you meant trifling
11/27/2022 12:50:22 PM
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but still going w/ trite
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2750607 |
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Author:Pretty sure
11/27/2022 3:31:29 PM
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A 3 wheeled motorcycle is called a trite |
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2750611 |
Nope. It is called a "t-r-i-k-e" (NT) +0/-0
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Author:very sure
11/27/2022 5:47:03 PM
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2750651 |
FAA cares: +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
11/28/2022 10:17:59 AM
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https://www.ntsb.gov/legal/alj/OnODocuments/Aviation/3859.pdf
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2750653 |
FAA cares: +0/-0
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Author:35 years ago
11/28/2022 10:56:04 AM
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some EMS pilots were taking flights while off duty and tried to cover it up. |
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2750655 |
FAA cares: +0/-0
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Author:Classic
11/28/2022 11:11:29 AM
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Boomer stuff |
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2750665 |
IOWs, they've been caring about it for several DECADES (NT) +0/-0
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Author:and they still do!
11/28/2022 12:17:35 PM
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2750654 |
FAA cares: +0/-1
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Author:Ok so
11/28/2022 11:02:28 AM
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Your one of those fellas that drives 51 miles one way to work. Call it an hour commute, sometimes more. If you were that fella would you
A. Duty in walking out the door and getting into your vehicle to commute to work?
B. Duty in when ya get to work and begin work responsibilities?
Take it a step further. When do you duty out.
A. Walking out the door to commute home?
B. After you completed your commute home and walk in the door at your home?
Lets take it even further. When would you punch in your time card to get paid? |
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2750662 |
We're talking about a Relief Pilot travelling for the company +1/-0
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Author:not a pilot commuting to/from work
11/28/2022 12:09:03 PM
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Commuting is you driving yourself from where you live to your workplace.
Deadheading is you travelling for the company to a place where they need you, from your home or domicile.
A relief pilot/pool pilot is not driving himself to work, he is travelling for the company. He is home based. They need him/her somewhere and assign it to him/her and provide the travel, be it POV/commercial transportation. That pilot is working for the company for that transportation and thus on duty. That duty counts towards his rest limitations.
A commuter's time spent to/from work is of the pilot's own doing. That is not duty!
So, a relief pilot travelling to a base starts his duty time when he leaves the home to travel to the work assignment. That's duty time. That duty time ends when s/he is back home, or in a hotel/adequate rest facility.
A pilot needs to have 10 hrs of rest in the last 24 hours looking back from when a planned PART 135 flight lands. The deadhead time in front of the day's "shift" is part of that lookback! |
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2750657 |
didn't see any mention of (NT) +0/-0
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Author:driving to work
11/28/2022 11:31:15 AM
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didn't see any mention of +0/-0
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Author:I’m gonna need
11/28/2022 11:33:49 AM
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A legal interpolation of the term "driving" |
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2750666 |
Deadhead travel is not about driving to work, its about (NT) +0/-0
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Author:deadhead travel!
11/28/2022 12:18:53 PM
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Msg ID:
2750672 |
travel is travel genius, time spent commuting (NT) +0/-0
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Author:to work. Thanks for playing
11/28/2022 2:15:32 PM
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2750684 |
A relief/pool pilot traveling from home to his temporarily assigned +1/-0
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Author:base is not commuting to work!
11/28/2022 5:39:18 PM
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It's Deadheading!
The pilot lives (is based) in one place, and the company assigns that pilot to another place. The company is responsible to move that pilot from his base to that assignment. That's deadheading, whether by air or by ground. The pilot is ON DUTY |
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2750687 |
A relief/pool pilot traveling from home to his temporarily assigned +0/-0
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Author:I know
11/28/2022 6:30:20 PM
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but I'm still not going to do it unless I'm traveling to another base but not when going home so sorry. |
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2750688 |
Going home from where? Is the company paying you to travel? (NT) +0/-0
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Author:If yes, then your on DUTY
11/28/2022 6:34:21 PM
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2750690 |
Going home from where? Is the company paying you to travel? +0/-0
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Author:I know
11/28/2022 6:56:00 PM
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and I don't care |
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Msg ID:
2750691 |
That makes it intentional! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
11/28/2022 6:57:35 PM
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2750692 |
travel not local in nature cannot be considered +0/-0
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Author:"rest" That's all there is,
11/28/2022 7:07:25 PM
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the remainder of your statement is opinion. |
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2750693 |
travel not local in nature cannot be considered +0/-1
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Author:how many different ways can I tell you
11/28/2022 7:18:03 PM
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I don't give a f**k |
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Msg ID:
2750697 |
well then... not even an ASAP/ASRA can help you (NT) +0/-1
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Author:Anonymous
11/28/2022 8:33:07 PM
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2750698 |
well then... not even an ASAP/ASRA can help you +1/-1
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Author:Would you
11/28/2022 8:41:47 PM
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A. Duty in to write an ASAP about not dutying correctly? B. Not Duty in to write ASAP about not dutying correctly? |
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2750699 |
since it is not something directed by the company, no (NT) +0/-1
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Author:it is totally your discretion.
11/28/2022 8:54:18 PM
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2750705 |
well then... not even an ASAP/ASRA can help you +0/-1
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Author:or C.
11/28/2022 9:58:16 PM
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what's an asap so I guess none of the above chief |
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Msg ID:
2750708 |
and yet you keep posting... (NT) +0/-2
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Author:interesting
11/28/2022 10:48:12 PM
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2750710 |
and yet you keep posting... +0/-1
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Author:not really
11/29/2022 3:42:56 AM
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it's called trolling |
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Msg ID:
2750856 |
HAA ‘pool pilots’ +0/-1
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Author:Anonymous
12/1/2022 10:15:04 AM
Reply to: 2750413
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? |
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Msg ID:
2755388 |
HAA ‘pool pilots’ +0/-1
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Author:Come on
12/2/2022 5:34:21 PM
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Losers keep this thing going!!! |
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Msg ID:
2755669 |
HAA ‘pool pilots’ +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
12/6/2022 1:01:19 PM
Reply to: 2755388
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Right? |
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