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Msg ID: 2750186 When is an ATP required? +0/-6     
Author:Hank
11/23/2022 8:35:52 AM

So, I bet most of you dont know when an ATP is even required.    

Have at it.........



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Msg ID: 2750191 When is an ATP required? +4/-1     
Author:Hmmm...
11/23/2022 9:30:19 AM

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When your boss says it is.



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Msg ID: 2750193 When is an ATP required? +2/-2     
Author::-)
11/23/2022 9:44:47 AM

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I actually don't remember, despite having one. I thought it was in helicopters with a seating configuration of nine or more. But don't hold me to it. I know where to look it up though. I think, except mostly for medium and heavy twins offshore, having one helps mostly with availability to be assigned under certain employer, contract, or accreditation requirements.


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Msg ID: 2750194 When is an ATP required? +2/-7     
Author:Correct sir
11/23/2022 9:51:43 AM

Reply to: 2750193

To fly transport helicopters, you need the highest level of aircraft pilot certification—the Airline Transport Pilot Certificate (ATP). When you get this certification you can pilot aircraft in a carrier service with max gross weight of over 12,500 pounds and/or over nine passengers.



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Msg ID: 2750198 What FAR is that? (NT) +0/-1     
Author:Anonymous
11/23/2022 10:49:45 AM

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Msg ID: 2750203 Simply, unequivocally 100% Wrong +2/-2     
Author:student pilot
11/23/2022 11:30:26 AM

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A private and/or a commercial pilot can be type rated to fly helicopter over 12,500.

Look it up before putting foot in mouth on such a basic question



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Msg ID: 2750205 Simply, unequivocally 100% Wrong +2/-0     
Author::-)
11/23/2022 11:39:59 AM

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You win. Like I said, I don't remember. I honestly thought it was a seating configuration/number of pax issue. Glad there are folks on this forum to correct us all on such issues.


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Msg ID: 2750206 Simply, unequivocally 100% Wrong +1/-0     
Author:Hmmm...
11/23/2022 11:51:42 AM

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https://www.rtag.org/about/news-updates/faa-requirements-for-rotorcraft-pilots</a>

 



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Msg ID: 2750207 don't mind him, he's wound real tight. he's probably the OP who set a trap (NT) +1/-3     
Author:to show us how smart he thinks he is
11/23/2022 12:01:27 PM

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Msg ID: 2750211 don't mind him, he's wound real tight. he's probably the OP who set a trap +0/-2     
Author:but it ends up showing
11/23/2022 12:32:39 PM

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how dumb you are lol



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Msg ID: 2750218 don't mind him, he's wound real tight. he's probably the OP who set a trap +1/-1     
Author:Rwatp
11/23/2022 12:54:11 PM

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an ATP is required to operate under part 121, scheduled air service.  Size of aircraft does not matter.  The type of use is what requires an ATP



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Msg ID: 2750276 Simply, unequivocally 100% Wrong +0/-1     
Author:Hmmm
11/23/2022 7:58:34 PM

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You're right, but the FAR says you have to have an ATP.  Having a type certificate means nothing if it isn't accompanied by an ATP CERTIFICATE.



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Msg ID: 2750292 What FAR are you talking about? (NT) +0/-1     
Author:Anonymous
11/24/2022 12:40:09 AM

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Msg ID: 2750216 When is an ATP required? +4/-0     
Author:Easy
11/23/2022 12:50:12 PM

Reply to: 2750186

135.243 

(a) No certificate holder may use a person, nor may any person serve, as pilot in command in passenger-carrying operations - 

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(2) Of a helicopter in a scheduled interstate air transportation operation by an air carrier within the 48 contiguous states unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate, appropriate type ratings, and an instrument rating



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Msg ID: 2750217 When is an ATP required? +2/-1     
Author:That is correct.
11/23/2022 12:51:24 PM

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This site is chock full of retards.



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Msg ID: 2750220 When is an ATP required? +2/-2     
Author:Regz
11/23/2022 1:07:03 PM

Reply to: 2750216
"Scheduled" is the key word. Anybody other then Helijet in Vancouver, BC in North America fly scheduled air services? Cuz on-demand not the same. I've only been required to exercise the privileges of my ATP when using it on a foreign license validation overseas.


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Msg ID: 2750316 When is an ATP required? +1/-1     
Author:135.243?
11/24/2022 11:10:06 AM

Reply to: 2750216

Another fine example of the FAA arguing with themselves. I have not held an instrument rating since "they" issued me my first ATP.



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Msg ID: 2756874 When is an ATP required? +0/-0     
Author:Unrestricted
12/22/2022 10:26:13 AM

Reply to: 2750316

ATP, aka instrument privileges embedded.  If you have other category ratings, ATP or Commercial, they may or not indicate instrument privileges or restricted to VFR dependent upon what level of competence proven under examination.



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Msg ID: 2750232 When is an ATP required? +0/-3     
Author:All knowing
11/23/2022 3:54:42 PM

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ATP is required for multiple reasons.  One of which is when required by your employer 



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Msg ID: 2750235 When is an ATP required? +0/-1     
Author:lol
11/23/2022 4:06:20 PM

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what are the multiple other reasons 



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Msg ID: 2750359 When is an ATP required? +1/-2     
Author:Know it all
11/24/2022 9:34:20 PM

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the Anal Tickling Penetrator is required when your dominatrix tells you it is.  STFU and take it.  You should be used to it all these years working in the helo industry.  



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Msg ID: 2750361 When is an ATP required? +0/-1     
Author:whoa
11/24/2022 10:09:47 PM

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that was a little too specific bro



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Msg ID: 2750499 Here is my answer +0/-1     
Author:hhuuuu
11/26/2022 10:57:15 AM

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An ATP certificate is required when acting as PIC under part 121. Under part 135 any scheduled operations or any aircraft acting PIC with greater than nine passengers.  Or if the company requires it.  

I say under part 135 any scheduled operations because as far as I know under HAA all operations are on demand completely different set of rules. 

12,500 pounds does not come in to play for an ATP.  

And ATP is also required under part 91K and part 91 fractional if greater than nine passengers and operating for hire. If not operating for hire you could operate a Boeing 747 with a private rating as long as you were typed and not more than nine passengers for hire.  If not for hire as many passengers as you like.     



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Msg ID: 2750501 Looking for reference to the Part 91 and/or 9 pax +0/-1     
Author:can't find it
11/26/2022 11:17:58 AM

Reply to: 2750499

Only thing under Part 91 is that fractional owners (managers) must use an ATP for multi-engine turbine-powered fixed-wing and powered-lift aircraft.   Not applicable for helicopters.

There are no Part 121 helicopter scheduled flight operations.  See FAR 119.25 



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Msg ID: 2750503 Adding reference for above: FAR 91.1053(a)(3) (NT) +0/-1     
Author:Anonymous
11/26/2022 11:23:37 AM

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