| Msg ID: 2747547 |
Longranger aborted starts +0/-0
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| Author:L four 1
10/21/2022 7:35:29 PM |
Is an aborted start counted as a start cycle in the logbook? |
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| Msg ID: 2747552 |
Longranger aborted starts +3/-0
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| Author:Start
10/21/2022 7:55:53 PM Reply to: 2747547 |
Attempt, yes. Start cycle? Should be defined in RFM what a start cycle is. In other aircraft a start cycle is start to shutdown. |
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| Msg ID: 2747574 |
Longranger aborted starts +0/-3
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| Author:Anonymous
10/22/2022 8:44:07 AM Reply to: 2747552 |
Move up to a FADEC equipped aircraft, it does the thinking for you. |
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| Msg ID: 2747556 |
Longranger aborted starts (NT) +0/-1
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| Author:Bell
10/21/2022 8:34:11 PM Reply to: 2747547 |
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| Msg ID: 2747557 |
Longranger aborted starts +8/-1
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| Author:Bell Boy
10/21/2022 8:37:37 PM Reply to: 2747547 |
If you didn't throttle up at 12%, then NO. But if you aborted after you poured Jet A into the turbine then YES. |
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| Msg ID: 2747565 |
Longranger aborted starts +0/-7
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| Author:Heli pilot
10/21/2022 11:36:03 PM Reply to: 2747557 |
Every time I put a load on that starter gen, I counted it as a start (for maintenance reasons ). |
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| Msg ID: 2747570 |
Longranger aborted starts +9/-1
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| Author:mech
10/22/2022 7:37:21 AM Reply to: 2747565 |
it is engine cycles not starter gen cycles so don't p-off your mech. |
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| Msg ID: 2747592 |
get your pilot to explain (NT) +0/-3
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| Author:engine cycles
10/22/2022 11:17:45 AM Reply to: 2747565 |
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| Msg ID: 2747602 |
Longranger aborted starts +0/-4
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| Author:So if
10/22/2022 2:34:55 PM Reply to: 2747557 |
you vent the engine you count that as a start cycle. ummm. congrats on wasting a lot of money for no reason. |
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| Msg ID: 2747616 |
Longranger aborted starts +2/-1
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| Author:No
10/22/2022 3:53:42 PM Reply to: 2747602 |
When you do a comp wash you pull Igniter CB & motor= NO Start Cycle. The fter 3 wshes motor to blow out rinse water, then start to dry it. |
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| Msg ID: 2747712 |
Longranger aborted starts +0/-0
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| Author:Venting engines
10/24/2022 9:44:54 AM Reply to: 2747602 |
You shouldn't be "venting" RR/Allison engines. (Yes, we have all done it after shutdown.) There was a letter from Allison years ago discouraging this procedure because of the shock to the turbine wheels and nozzles with ambient air drawn in. Ask your mechanic to find it and show it to you. |
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| Msg ID: 2747717 |
Longranger aborted starts +0/-1
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| Author:venting pt2
10/24/2022 10:28:29 AM Reply to: 2747712 |
This letter applied to venting right after shutdown, not after it has been sitting for awhile. |
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| Msg ID: 2747619 |
Longranger aborted starts +0/-1
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| Author::-)
10/22/2022 5:26:36 PM Reply to: 2747547 |
Respectfully, you should probably consult your company's policy or call a Bell Service Center to determine specific events that trigger a cycle or a RIN. As you can see above, if you ask five different people in this forum, you'll get six different answers. Good luck. Please post what you find out. |
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| Msg ID: 2747621 |
From RR 250 MM +2/-1
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| Author:Dope
10/22/2022 5:46:48 PM Reply to: 2747619 |
Life Limited Parts
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| Msg ID: 2747669 |
From RR 250 MM +3/-1
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| Author:Those
10/23/2022 11:31:00 AM Reply to: 2747621 |
counters are pretty much useless for being accurate |
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| Msg ID: 2747683 |
From RR 250 MM +2/-1
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| Author:Oldies flyer
10/23/2022 3:16:48 PM Reply to: 2747621 |
I’ve flown probably 60 different helicopters with C-20, C-30 engines in my life. I’ve seen one that had an engine counter installed and it was ignored by the owner as inaccurate. That said, I’ve also never heard of an engine component that timed out fron start cycles before flight hours |
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| Msg ID: 2747690 |
FYI: in the 250 series... +2/-1
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| Author:there is only...
10/23/2022 6:16:12 PM Reply to: 2747683 |
one type of cycle. No separate start cycles. It just happens RR uses starts to count their cycles. Other OEMs use different methods with some not counting any maintenance starts/runs. But have seen a few turbine wheels retired by cycles before making the hour limit. So definitely possibly to cycle out some parts on the 250 series. |
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| Msg ID: 2747694 |
FYI: in the 250 series... +3/-1
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| Author:Answer to question
10/23/2022 8:10:57 PM Reply to: 2747690 |
A cycle is defined as a start or start attempt. |
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| Msg ID: 2747819 |
cycle time out not at all uncommon (NT) +0/-1
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| Author:in HEMS
10/25/2022 3:53:50 PM Reply to: 2747683 |
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| Msg ID: 2747773 |
Longranger aborted starts +0/-1
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| Author:let's get technical....
10/25/2022 3:11:58 AM Reply to: 2747547 |
who. cares. |
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| Msg ID: 2747779 |
Longranger aborted starts +0/-1
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| Author:kps87218
10/25/2022 8:22:11 AM Reply to: 2747547 |
A cycle for a RR engine is defined as a start or start attempt. |
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| Msg ID: 2748062 |
Longranger aborted starts +0/-0
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| Author:only if
10/27/2022 9:44:53 PM Reply to: 2747779 |
there is a light-off. Otherwise you are just motoring the engine. |
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