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Msg ID: 2747017 EC135 +2/-1     
Author:Fuel System
10/15/2022 12:59:46 PM

I'm studying for my first twin job in an EC135. With the fuel system if you go to zero fuel in the main tank, do you turn off the XFER PUMPS?

This is just a therotical question and i'm not saying I would fly with less than zero fuel in the main tank, even though it looks like the numbers on the supply tanks would cover the 20 minute VFR reserve.



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Msg ID: 2747018 EC135 +2/-0     
Author:145
10/15/2022 1:57:42 PM

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Yes, at least on the 145 (Similar fuel system). You'll get an FUEL PUMP AFT and then a FUEL PUMP FWD caution on the CAD when they run low respectively. Both of those have a procedure to check the amount of fuel and then turn them off.



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Msg ID: 2747019 EC135 +1/-0     
Author:Nodoginfite
10/15/2022 2:04:10 PM

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The xfer pumps take the fuel from main to supply tanks.  In normal forward flight the aft pump will go dry first with the appropriate CAD msg followed by the fwd pump. They are then just sucking air so you turn them off.  Remember to always verify what switch before moving. If you left running I'm not sure anything would happen, but the rfm calls for turn off.  I'm not sure be check with the newest models 135 to see if that procedure is still valid.  Airbus may have changed due to too many inadvertent xfer pumps being turned off causing premature engine shut down



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Msg ID: 2747110 Pumps are set up with thermal +0/-2     
Author:cutoff if ran
10/16/2022 6:35:06 PM

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without fuel. But the correct procedure is to turn off as noted.


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Msg ID: 2747022 EC135 +5/-0     
Author:All good advice
10/15/2022 3:34:32 PM

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Study your fuel system alerts, cautions, and warnings like the Bible......everything else is EASY !!!!! 2k hours in 135's......



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Msg ID: 2747032 EC135 +0/-1     
Author:stuff
10/15/2022 5:41:01 PM

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The EC135 fuel system is designed so that the fuel above the baffles in the supply tank is also counted as Main Tank fuel.  You'll need to shut off your transfer pumps prior to the CAD actually showing 0 in the Main.



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Msg ID: 2747145 EC135 +1/-1     
Author:Stuff
10/17/2022 11:12:41 AM

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Msg ID: 2747035 EC135 +0/-1     
Author:what does the FM say
10/15/2022 6:55:47 PM

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do that. it used to say turn them off when running on supply tanks. once the mains are empty: 30 minutes 



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Msg ID: 2747036 EC135 +0/-2     
Author:x54
10/15/2022 7:08:48 PM

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Different subject----But when you top off a 135 with fuel, is it really full or not.  Seems like it registers full for 20 minutes of flight; gives a false reading of being full.  Hard to determine if it's full or 20 gallons short. 



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Msg ID: 2747785 EC135 +0/-0     
Author:Nodoginfite
10/25/2022 9:37:09 AM

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If your fuel system seems to be erroneous in readings, ask your mech to check calibration.  One way is to add x amount of fuel fuel from a known amount and check if fuel indicator increases accordingly.  Otherwise I believe there is a calibration component.   One thing to have more fuel than you think, but something totally different to have less than indicated.  One thing for sure is the fwd xfer pump light.  When it comes on, usually after the aft forward flight, and you suspect faulty fuel display, be looking at LZ



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Msg ID: 2747038 EC135 +0/-2     
Author:Check Pilot
10/15/2022 7:25:46 PM

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Yes, if the tank level is such that you determine the pump in question is running dry, turn it off. However, should the second fuel transfer pump illuminate, you turn them both on regardless of quantity. Read the EP.

Under no circumstance, regardless of main tank leve, ignor the low fuel 1/2 warning lights! Without going into a long post, it is possible to flame out with fuel in the main tanks!

Its not uncommon for me to land, for me to land with the Aft transfer pump off. Generally, I dont turn it back on for landing even the the aircraft attitude is nose up. Depends on circumstances.



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Msg ID: 2747050 I could answer your question +0/-2     
Author:Anonymous
10/15/2022 8:51:10 PM

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but some jack a  s  s would come on right after I did it and tell me I was all wrong, and then you would just end up more confused than you already are. So, sorry.



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Msg ID: 2747051 I could answer your question +1/-1     
Author:uh, it's in the FM
10/15/2022 9:00:27 PM

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when the light come on, turn off the pumps. no ambiguity. 

 



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Msg ID: 2747092 Airbus fuel readings suck +0/-1     
Author:An Army Guy
10/16/2022 2:05:03 PM

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They seem worse in Airbus products than any other brand...

The EC130 was horribly inaccurate (the % bar is technically what you're supposed to use and there's a supplemental fuel chart for what your actual gallons are because the indicator on the VMD is always wrong).  

The EC145 was consistently off and required you to be in similar flight profile when taking first and second reading to compare.  I agree about seeing the 20 minutes it sits full and then starts moving like the EC135 comment above.  

OH-58/UH-1/OH-6 didn't have lots of tick marks to see exactly where you were at but they were always very accurate.  

UH-60 probably the most accurate.  Would guess the AH-64 and CH-47 were similar.  Bigger airframes using pricier capacitance fuel probes is probably why.  



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Msg ID: 2747095 Airbus fuel readings suck +0/-0     
Author:The OH-58 Fuel Guage Would
10/16/2022 2:09:43 PM

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Bounce high and low 50-100 pounds. I suppose you could say it was accurate if you visually split the difference. As I recall, it was only the A model guage that would vary constantly like that.



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Msg ID: 2747446 EC135 +0/-0     
Author:My
10/20/2022 9:24:56 PM

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first twin job was 45 years ago.  It's all in the RFM.



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