Msg ID:
2741575 |
What bases did AMC (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Shut down today?
9/7/2022 12:16:03 PM
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Msg ID:
2741580 |
What bases did AMC +0/-8
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Author:none
9/7/2022 1:21:51 PM
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But opening more.
Sorry your company is not doing good. |
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Msg ID:
2741585 |
What bases did AMC +5/-1
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Author:Wowzers
9/7/2022 1:35:51 PM
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As you are all away, Air Methods is in the process of closing up to 18 bases today. The list we have been able to develop so far indicates the following bases are being closed:
1 Kerrville TX
2 Pleasanton TX
3 St. Joeseph Mo
4 Dodge, KA
5 Salina KA
6 Portalis, NM
7 Colby KS
8 FW Fesno CA
9 FW Havasu CA
10 Wausau WI
We are still working on identifying the remaining 8.
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Msg ID:
2741586 |
Who's "we"? (NT) +0/-1
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Author:Anonymous
9/7/2022 1:49:51 PM
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Msg ID:
2741850 |
What bases did AMC +0/-0
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Author:bag21
9/10/2022 2:25:09 AM
Reply to: 2741585
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Wausau? thats a hospital base program. AMC hartford WI closed awhile back. |
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Msg ID:
2741587 |
What bases did AMC +4/-0
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Author:No Surprises what did you expect
9/7/2022 2:27:21 PM
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With the no surprises act ,lower reimbursement rates, cost of fuel , labor and just about anything with a price tag, why would anyone be surprised.
Any one of these things could cause issues with growth and sustainability, but when you get a tsunami of events it's inevitable.
It won't just be AMC , the whole Industry will probably see 30% cut, for the business model to make sense let alone money. |
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Msg ID:
2741600 |
What bases did AMC +2/-3
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Author:In Network
9/7/2022 4:06:24 PM
Reply to: 2741587
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"whole Industry will probably see 30% cut" Not if you are an in network provider ! Serves them right screwing people with 70-90k bills |
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Msg ID:
2741606 |
What bases did AMC +2/-1
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Author:Uhhhhhh
9/7/2022 4:53:10 PM
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EOB and what people actually pay are two very different things. AMC hasn't been balance billing for years. |
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Msg ID:
2741658 |
What bases did AMC (NT) +1/-0
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Author:My man
9/8/2022 4:13:23 AM
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Msg ID:
2741602 |
What bases did AMC +11/-0
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Author:rvrrat
9/7/2022 4:07:57 PM
Reply to: 2741587
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I would tend to agree with you regarding Air Methods, if they were a lean company. They are not. Grossly overmanaged is an understatement. And worse yet, the ineptitude is at the highest levels seen in my 15 years yet.
The industry will see some consolidation, but with Air Methods I hold zero sympathy so long as there is all these useless managers doing nothing but making the job harder! |
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Msg ID:
2741628 |
Yup, too many managers +3/-0
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Author:Anonymous
9/7/2022 8:44:15 PM
Reply to: 2741602
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With all those manager's bonuses... then the whole Motient, and Spright things; not the right investment for a company that has it's own close margins and wasteful spending |
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Msg ID:
2741614 |
What bases did AMC +2/-0
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Author:RealDO
9/7/2022 6:46:14 PM
Reply to: 2741587
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Upper management would not listen when warned about the balance billing (surprise billing) but the brain trusts like L E O, thought they had all the answers. Pushing flight crews. When you do that they rebel. |
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Msg ID:
2741633 |
Pushing flight crews +7/-0
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Author:Anonymous
9/7/2022 8:52:40 PM
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TONS of weather turndowns that are in completely safe weather that don't get any mention by management, yet a flight at close to 14 hours can't be turned down without calling management for approval (and, typically, they "urge" to make you take the flight).
Pushing a flight at 14 hours is ALWAYS a safety risk (there are flight hour duty limits FOR A REASON; hence the FARs), yet when TONS of aircraft are out flying (especially the competition) as weather starts improving, medcrew don't want to go because there's yellow/green on the radar, the flight categories are all showing blue, etc. and MANAGEMENT SAYS NOTHING.
I got it, people have done stupid IIMC, but I'm not talking about skosh weather here, i.e. 10 mile vis, ceilings are a solid 1500 or higher for a 100 mile radius (non-mountainous) and improving. And management says nothing, but a flight is planned at the 14 hour mark and management says GO!!! |
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Msg ID:
2741697 |
Pushing flight crews +0/-0
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Author:To the 14hr guy
9/8/2022 12:03:51 PM
Reply to: 2741633
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As a professional pilot, me and my crew for the shift get to go or no/go. If I get a flight request that will take me over 14 hours I turn it down. Now if I slept for 6 hours while on duty or sat around all day watching TV and get a late flight that looks like I will get back to base on time I take it. Should the crew get delayed and I go over 14 hours, no big deal. The FAR's allow for this. However if I had 4 flights during the shift and a late request look like I maybe pushing 14 hours I say no. It's all on me and no body can make me go against my will. End of story, let it go. |
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Msg ID:
2741588 |
What bases did AMC (NT) +0/-2
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Author:will open 20 tomorrow, just another day
9/7/2022 2:52:34 PM
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Msg ID:
2741608 |
What bases did AMC +7/-1
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Author:Business is business….
9/7/2022 5:04:46 PM
Reply to: 2741588
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When your medical crews take a crew rest after one flight, or the sister base nearby turns everything down for duty time, and the competition sweeps in and captures those flights, what do you expect? |
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Msg ID:
2741610 |
What bases did AMC +3/-4
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Author:Anonymous
9/7/2022 5:28:30 PM
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This is just the beginning of a shift in the industry. The big losers are the patients who need care but because of the reduced number of resources nothing will be available. |
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Msg ID:
2741612 |
What bases did AMC +3/-2
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Author:Helicopter Air Ambulance
9/7/2022 5:47:12 PM
Reply to: 2741610
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A great idea whose time has passed. |
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Msg ID:
2741613 |
Unnecessary Weather Turndowns +2/-2
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Author:Anonymous
9/7/2022 6:33:25 PM
Reply to: 2741608
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At least 20-30% of weather turndowns are for weather that was completely safe and trending upward.
That's a ton of revenue lost that the competition typically snatches up. The largest HAA carrier does nothing to address this in educating medcrews so it's their own fault... |
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Msg ID:
2741616 |
Unnecessary Weather Turndowns +4/-1
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Author:They train
9/7/2022 6:51:09 PM
Reply to: 2741613
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To be scared as cats and never trust pilots so there ya have it |
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Msg ID:
2741618 |
What bases did AMC +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
9/7/2022 7:12:36 PM
Reply to: 2741608
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This is just the beginning of a shift in the industry. The big losers are the patients who need care but because of the reduced number of resources nothing will be available. |
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Msg ID:
2741623 |
What bases did AMC +1/-0
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Author:Also
9/7/2022 7:37:42 PM
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El Paso, TX- FW
Gila Bend, AZ |
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Msg ID:
2741626 |
AMC HAWAII BASES CLOSED (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Add that to the list
9/7/2022 8:41:56 PM
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Msg ID:
2741635 |
grounded +7/-1
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Author:buymoretrucks
9/7/2022 9:25:49 PM
Reply to: 2741626
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The big losers are the patients who need care but because of the reduced number of resources nothing will be available.
I don't want to see any one out of work but we all know that the above is not the crisis you'd have us believe. This industry is long over due to self correct. About one in ten patients actually need air transport. Everyone went by ground in the past. A town of 4,000 obviously doesn't need two helicopters, if any at all. A positve is that we'll see fewer of our friends and coworkers being killed in crashes where they were flying passengers that should have been driven to the hospital safely, efficiently, and much more economically.
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Msg ID:
2741636 |
Correction that is really needed is: +5/-0
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Author:An Army Guy
9/7/2022 9:54:56 PM
Reply to: 2741635
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Hire more ambulance drivers, give them some more medical training than they get now, and then pay them WAY better than they get now. For real, they get paid crap, can't sleep at base, and work crazier shifts than any HAA medcrew.
Will do WAY more good for society than HAA.
Tell me any location that doesn't have an ambulance shortage. And I totally agree with the above post but think it's more like 2 out of 10 that are actually critical care transports. |
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Msg ID:
2741717 |
AMC HAWAII BASES CLOSED +0/-0
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Author:Curiois Cat
9/8/2022 2:18:18 PM
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AMC's Hawaii fixed wing base closed? They don't have rotor in hawaii right? |
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Msg ID:
2741637 |
I heard it was 24 bases +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
9/7/2022 9:56:35 PM
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Do we have a final count yet? If so, that would be almost 100 pilots to fill the over 200 openings.
I remember it was 18 that closed back in 2019. |
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Msg ID:
2741640 |
But Opening 4 in AZ??? ComeonAMC +0/-0
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Author:Three Card Monty
9/7/2022 10:42:27 PM
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1. Verde
2. 2nd in Show Low
3. Winslow
4. TBD
Holding a grudge while abandoning communities = Defunding Tomorrow!! |
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Msg ID:
2741645 |
Can’t wait to read AMC CEO weekly Friday +4/-3
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Author:Newsletter email
9/7/2022 11:02:57 PM
Reply to: 2741640
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And tell us how much she really cares about everyone. LOL |
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Msg ID:
2741669 |
Can’t wait to read AMC CEO weekly Friday +4/-0
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Author:say wut
9/8/2022 8:18:20 AM
Reply to: 2741645
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are they supposed to keep unprofitable bases open just because of your feelings? some real dumbasses out there |
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Msg ID:
2741687 |
"I'm not accepting a flight that goes past my 12 hours" (NT) +3/-0
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Author:now you don't have to anymore!
9/8/2022 10:09:18 AM
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Msg ID:
2741677 |
Can’t wait to read AMC CEO weekly Friday +0/-0
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Author:uh
9/8/2022 8:52:15 AM
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since she runs the company and if you work there, it may be of some interest. |
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Msg ID:
2741681 |
Can’t wait to read AMC CEO weekly Friday +0/-0
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Author:remember this post
9/8/2022 9:21:44 AM
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when you start reading it the moment it hits your inbox |
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Msg ID:
2741675 |
Here is what Aaron Todd had to say about it +2/-0
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Author:BigT
9/8/2022 8:48:40 AM
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"And if you ask me personally, do we need 900 air medical helicopters to serve this country, I'd say probably not, maybe 500, 600 could do well, but it’s an open market, these are – we don’t have certificate of need restrictions. And so, therefore, there's going to be the inefficiency of competition." |
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Msg ID:
2741676 |
Here is what Aaron Todd had to say about it +2/-3
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Author:we know. you’ve posted that a hundred
9/8/2022 8:50:45 AM
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times and still nobody cares what Aaron Todd said |
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Msg ID:
2741686 |
Here is what Aaron Todd had to say about it +1/-2
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Author:Clearly
9/8/2022 9:58:54 AM
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Many pilots are stuck in the past |
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Msg ID:
2741696 |
Here is what Aaron Todd had to say about it +6/-0
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Author:Yeah
9/8/2022 11:56:16 AM
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Cause we really need 1000-1200 hems bases doing 10-15 flights a month. Many who don't need to fly and flight crews that don't want to actually go fly. 1 per shift or they are out service fatigue. |
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Msg ID:
2741701 |
Here is what Aaron Todd had to say about it +0/-2
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Author:Still
9/8/2022 12:41:12 PM
Reply to: 2741696
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Loosing the med crew educational campaign eh. Stay in your own lane |
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Msg ID:
2741706 |
Here is what Aaron Todd had to say about it +1/-2
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Author:Hmmm
9/8/2022 1:07:00 PM
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nope
got out long ago.
just watching the right Sizing that's coming.
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Msg ID:
2742323 |
Here is what Aaron Todd had to say about it +1/-0
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Author:not exactly
9/13/2022 11:33:43 PM
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What the CEO's don't take into consideration is that if you go from say 900 helicopters to 600 helicopters, the call volume doesn't change.
So suddenly those bases are taking on the average 50% more flights. You go from a 30 flight volume to 45 flight volume with no change in income???
That won't wash well with crews or pilots. This is what you are seeing now.
These companies are closing the less profitable bases to cannibalize the pilots and crews to fill in on the more profitable higher volume bases. But what they are also seeing is a mass exodus from the system.
They didn't count on crews and pilots leaving in droves. Which is why both AMC and GMR have 150 openings and 216 openings respectively.
That's what happens when you crunch numbers wihout considering human behavior. Bad management and bad executives lead to a bad industry. |
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Msg ID:
2741732 |
What bases did AMC (NT) +0/-0
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Author:three weeks ago
9/8/2022 3:49:11 PM
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