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Msg ID: 2737930 AMC pay raise +4/-0     
Author:Hahaha
8/4/2022 9:42:00 PM
AMC is terrible..... 14% Yet again bringing up new hire pay while you take a dump on senior pilots.


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Msg ID: 2737933 Been with AMC for 10 years and make less +5/-0     
Author:than $86K
8/4/2022 9:54:05 PM

Reply to: 2737930

So I finally make the same as a new hire. Yay! /s



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Msg ID: 2737941 Been with AMC for 10 years and make less +3/-0     
Author:Thatís garbage pay
8/4/2022 10:20:02 PM

Reply to: 2737933

Why would you stay around so long?

 



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Msg ID: 2737946 Same here. 10+ yrs with AMC and make $38/hr (NT) +2/-0     
Author:Now I'm = to a new hire. smh
8/4/2022 11:05:03 PM

Reply to: 2737933


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Msg ID: 2737983 Same here. 10+ yrs with AMC and make $38/hr +1/-1     
Author:oldtimer
8/5/2022 10:15:19 AM

Reply to: 2737946

I don't think you understand how the raise works.  Simply not possible for 10+ years with AMC to be less than 92k given our old pay scale.



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Msg ID: 2738131 Been with AMC for 10 years and make less +0/-0     
Author:The company
8/6/2022 10:01:30 PM

Reply to: 2737933

SHOULD fairly address the problem through the CBA.  If they don't forget ratifying it until fixed.

 



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Msg ID: 2737934 AMC pay raise +1/-0     
Author:Awful
8/4/2022 9:55:25 PM

Reply to: 2737930
15k retention bonus instead of 40 and 50k


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Msg ID: 2737935 14% increase. $86K for new hires. (NT) +1/-0     
Author:What about oldies making $81K?
8/4/2022 9:55:54 PM

Reply to: 2737930


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Msg ID: 2737936 $25,000 bonus for recruiting a new pilot +0/-0     
Author:$15,000 if you stay until Nov 2023
8/4/2022 9:59:06 PM

Reply to: 2737935

So new hires are worth more than an employee that stays for 15 months. Oooookkayyyyy....



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Msg ID: 2737937 GENTLEMEN (and WOMEN) +6/-1     
Author:Anonymous
8/4/2022 10:00:05 PM

Reply to: 2737930

TIME TO WALK... 

Vote with your feet.  14% is absolute crap.



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Msg ID: 2737940 GENTLEMEN (and WOMEN) +0/-0     
Author:Class A airspace
8/4/2022 10:06:12 PM

Reply to: 2737937

it's not just AMC it's all of the operators. The raises at GMR companies isn't high enough in my opinion . 



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Msg ID: 2737955 GENTLEMEN (and WOMEN) +1/-3     
Author:in 10yrs
8/5/2022 12:06:35 AM

Reply to: 2737940

You MADE LESS THAN $86K?????   KINDA SOMETHING TO LAUGH AT THERE...LOL....



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Msg ID: 2737962 That's right. Quit the crap union, stop paying them, and (NT) +0/-6     
Author:negotiate your happiness on your own
8/5/2022 4:24:55 AM

Reply to: 2737937


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Msg ID: 2738142 That's right. Quit the crap union, stop paying them, and +3/-0     
Author:Crack me up.
8/6/2022 11:20:54 PM

Reply to: 2737962

Good luck with that fantasy.  

Your lot is not tied to individual negotiation but what the company perceives it HAS to do to obtain and maintain pilot services.  

IF pilots could exercise sufficient confidence in potentially conducting a strike for better work conditions and compensation through solidarity they would have a level playing field in the endeavor but short of crisis events we currently see, and nominal union negotiations outside such times, success will not be optimum.

If solidarity (aka trust in action) could be created amongst all those scattered bases and pilots the union could do its job far more effectively.  

So, pilots, that's your challenge, how to connect and trust!  The union could definitely do far better if you create this; they can't do it for you.

 



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Msg ID: 2738241 Connect and trust... lol! I trust me to do for me! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Not you to do for you 1st and me 2nd!
8/7/2022 7:56:10 PM

Reply to: 2738142


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Msg ID: 2738197 That's right. Quit the crap union, stop paying them, and +2/-0     
Author:Naive
8/7/2022 1:33:19 PM

Reply to: 2737962

at best.



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Msg ID: 2737953 AMC pay raise +1/-1     
Author:In luie of union contract
8/5/2022 12:00:28 AM

Reply to: 2737930

I assume this has nothing to do with a union proposal.  



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Msg ID: 2737963 AMC pay raise +2/-4     
Author:Dolladollabills
8/5/2022 4:42:01 AM

Reply to: 2737930

How is a minimum across the board of 14% raise (with no Pilot below $86k) putting you below a new hire?  

Either my math doesn't work the same as yours or you didn't catch the wording right.  

If 14% doesn't bump you to at least $86k then your new base is $86k, which means you're getting more than a 14% increase.

And $15k retention for 14 months is actually more than $40k for 3 years.

And $25k referral bonus is pretty damn high... 

Then again, some people will never be happy no matter what you give them.  I for one and pretty damn pleased with what they've put forward - oh and they didn't wait to ratify a contract to do it.  I think that says something in itself.

Seems to me the union can focus on a published pay scale, OT rate for 12-14, end the stupid free duty ready thing, and pretty much be done. My $.02



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Msg ID: 2737964 AMC pay raise +6/-0     
Author:What
8/5/2022 5:37:01 AM

Reply to: 2737963

Pretty good my a--.  When a driver for wal mart makes 95-100k to start and Amc offers this what an insult.  Got ye Amc. 



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Msg ID: 2737966 AMC pay raise +5/-0     
Author:Good bye AMC
8/5/2022 6:07:31 AM

Reply to: 2737964

See you AMC. Thank you for the insult but I am off to do something else. I will be starting off at 105,000 I. Another industry. You have made it clear I will never be valued.  

good bye 



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Msg ID: 2737968 AMC pay raise +3/-1     
Author:Awful
8/5/2022 6:29:45 AM

Reply to: 2737963
15k will never be higher than 40k. Just wow. A 5 year pilot should not be making more than a new hire. This offer is insulting


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Msg ID: 2737971 AMC pay raise +3/-1     
Author:REally????
8/5/2022 8:52:03 AM

Reply to: 2737963

Spoke like a true non professional, AMC and the Union have put the crews to senior pilots for years. If you want to stay at your base and make just enough to get by, not get actual par raises, have it.

The truth is, if you think the Union is getting any more pay after this, you are mistaken.

A raise is not just COLA, it's  a life style change.  I.E- You can afford more, not just maintain.

If you think a pilot with 15 years HAA experience should still be below 100K, either your a miltard with a retirement or a stupid civilian.

If you have 3500-5000 hours and 15 years of HAA experience and you are not making 150K, you are way off.

People like you ruin this industry, low pay, I want to stay home, don't want to sacrifice, i.e- move or be troubled to work hard.

 

Good Day to you Sir!



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Msg ID: 2737975 AMC pay raise +7/-0     
Author:Youíre part of the problem.
8/5/2022 9:26:46 AM

Reply to: 2737963

Let me guess, you're less than 3 years with AMC? So yes, if I were that too, I would be thrilled. no imagine this,  a 10 year pilot only makeing $3k to $5k more than you? You really think that's okay? Your 2 cents are useless when it ONLY benefits you. Stop screwing over this industry with that crap you company brown noser



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Msg ID: 2737977 AMC pay raise +2/-0     
Author:MmmmHmmm
8/5/2022 9:50:56 AM

Reply to: 2737975
I'm not even with AMC (thankfully) and I'm pi$$ed for their pilots... This is AMC's idea of "industry leader"?! Do just enough to hopefully slow the bleeding, but not as much as GMR or Survival Flight?! Lol PATHETIC


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Msg ID: 2737980 AMC pay raise +4/-0     
Author:Yup!
8/5/2022 10:07:08 AM

Reply to: 2737977

It's not only to slow the bleeding. They confirmed it in their email with the $25k referral bonus!! Let the senior guys walk, we will replace you easily now 



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Msg ID: 2737984 AMC pay raise +2/-0     
Author:MmmmHmmm
8/5/2022 10:17:08 AM

Reply to: 2737980
The funny thing about AMC thinking it'll be easier to replace old pilots with new ones is that the majority of the companies out there are paying at or above $86k starting wages anyway... So what is the incentive to leave and go work for AMC?! LOL


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Msg ID: 2737985 AMC pay raise +0/-2     
Author:The incentive
8/5/2022 10:36:09 AM

Reply to: 2737984

is to be closer to home for many people.



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Msg ID: 2737986 BYE AMC....GMR actually pays what your worth +4/-0     
Author:offer letter was $95k
8/5/2022 10:37:57 AM

Reply to: 2737984

and a sign on bonus plus a little extra...bye AMC...i was waiting to see what the offer was...



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Msg ID: 2737992 BYE AMC....GMR actually pays what your worth +2/-0     
Author:Abandoned ship!
8/5/2022 11:04:42 AM

Reply to: 2737986

Time to leave AMC! was waiting for this Offer. What a joke. GMR will make amc starting pay in weeks. And once again, be the industry leader 



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Msg ID: 2738006 AMC pay raise +0/-0     
Author:so your 10yrs with AMC
8/5/2022 12:51:40 PM

Reply to: 2737975

but I have 15yrs EMS experience, and your saying you should be making MORE than me???? when i have more EMS experience than your 10yrs....Yeah, they need to pay for experience....AMC does pay for experience...when I was offered a job with them, they offered me the crappy $73,800 back in March 2022 and then a $6000 additional bonus per year for experience pay...they were embarassed by that low pay but blammed the union of course....so I passed....



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Msg ID: 2737993 Industry leader??? +3/-0     
Author:An Army Guy
8/5/2022 11:20:52 AM

Reply to: 2737930

A pilot at my base with no prior EMS experience (and he's been here less than a year) is going to make $88k starting at AEL.  

He gets a $15K bonus after completing INDOC.  He gets $10K retention bonus at end of year one, $10K at end of year two, and $20K if he stays through year three.  

So how is AMC a market leader?  How is that competitive?  Why should I just "take it and be glad with what I got?"  

I've also heard of other guys being offered $92K starting if they have HAA experience. 

Also, WHY would your buddy you recommend ($25K is indeed a great bonus) WANT to come to such low pay?  Why????

TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE AMC.  Good job thinking this one through. 

An I'm not a military retiree... so pay matters.  Imagine that...



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Msg ID: 2737997 Industry leader??? +2/-0     
Author:GMR
8/5/2022 12:00:18 PM

Reply to: 2737993
I know a guy that was offered 115k not including bonuses. Had over 10 years in #MS


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Msg ID: 2737998 Industry leader??? +0/-0     
Author:I'm sending in my resume
8/5/2022 12:11:36 PM

Reply to: 2737997

I've got 25 years EMS experience.  What do you think they would offer me?



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Msg ID: 2738004 Industry leader??? +0/-0     
Author:25 years
8/5/2022 12:42:27 PM

Reply to: 2737998
I'm guessing at least 115k


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Msg ID: 2738007 Industry leader??? +0/-0     
Author:$86k
8/5/2022 12:52:46 PM

Reply to: 2737998

and about $6000./yr extra in experience pay....



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Msg ID: 2737999 Industry leader??? +3/-0     
Author:Yeah Industry Leader
8/5/2022 12:16:27 PM

Reply to: 2737993

in being a total CRAP Micro managed Co. to work! Yeah I did 6 mos & bailed completely from EMS back in 2012 and never looked back!!! I see in 10+yrs they still are same POS Co.!!!



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Msg ID: 2738013 AMC pay raise +4/-0     
Author:RMH 1986
8/5/2022 2:31:42 PM

Reply to: 2737999

Just a word of caution to all of you would be ship jumpers from a guy with 41 years civilian, after leaving the Army in 1981 (PHI, RMH, CJ, Keystone and AMC).

I have chased those greener pastures (sometimes out of necessity for pay sometimes for strategy) so I have been there and done that.

If it is not codified in a CBA, the raises and bonuses, etc. are at the discrestion of "the company" and subject to freezes, reductions, elimination, etc. by the bean counters.

At least this 14% raise, I expect, will be the starting point for salary negotiations with Local 109 currently underway.

Remember, with a CBA, "the company" cannot cut your pay/benefits as directed by the bean counters in the future, without it you could very well end up worse off than when you moved (for instance, 1988-1993, RMH, ZERO, zilch, nada as a pay increase, 5 years, I lived it).

 



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Msg ID: 2738020 AMC pay raise +0/-1     
Author:Get what we give and you will like it.
8/5/2022 3:47:06 PM

Reply to: 2738013

You are part of the reason pay is low.  If you don't value your worth to be more that a truck drive, then you get what you deserve.  

86000 is an insult. How can anyone think that is acceptable.  



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Msg ID: 2738030 AMC pay raise (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Where When KHC???
8/5/2022 5:20:56 PM

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Msg ID: 2738029 AMC pay raise +0/-0     
Author:mech
8/5/2022 5:02:00 PM

Reply to: 2737930

Wow, I was hoping they would do better. Maintenance is getting 21% across the board plus annual merit. But they do make much less generally.



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Msg ID: 2738032 AMC pay raise +0/-0     
Author: Maint
8/5/2022 5:54:12 PM

Reply to: 2738029

Maint is getting 8% , not sure where you found 21% lol



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Msg ID: 2738073 AMC pay raise +3/-0     
Author:meh
8/6/2022 9:44:34 AM

Reply to: 2737930

funny stuff, i love coming into this troll farm once in awhile when i know the snowflakes are out... watching them cry and fall and claim superiority! always entertaining!! all these posts are funny

lets look logically. 1)this was to stop the loss of pilot while the union contract continues

2)this isn't even the union contract...

3)whatever the union and company agrees to will be on top of

4)the company gave enough to stop the loss but they wont give more than they have to, because that is the new starting point for the union contracts... capitilism boys and girls and trolls 

again you guys crack me up. have fun p!ssing into the wind, as usual



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Msg ID: 2738103 AMC pay raise +1/-1     
Author:Really?????
8/6/2022 5:07:23 PM

Reply to: 2738073

You are so wrong, its actually funny.

If you think the Union is going to get any more on top of the 14%, you are kidding yourself.

They are buying time to wait and see if the economy is going to bounce back.

I have been with AMC for over 15 years, and never once in that time have they raised pay by 14%.

If you think they are getting more, I have beach front property in AZ to sell you.



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Msg ID: 2738195 AMC pay raise +0/-0     
Author:You
8/7/2022 1:31:41 PM

Reply to: 2738073

are definitely a boring person.



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Msg ID: 2738106 AMC pay raise +1/-0     
Author:Zaleski
8/6/2022 5:30:31 PM

Reply to: 2737930

I understand the anger and don't disagree, but lets see..

My info may be dated but you want to go to the pizza delivery guys flying 30,000 206s whose blades fling off in flight?  Where each new location is more methed out and shtty than the last? You go girl.

Another operator being bandied about, I wouldn't work for them for 250k with a 7 on/14 off schedule if the base was next to my house.  Do a little research.

8 to 12 year guys get 126-168 hr vacation and 120 hour sick.  One company starts you at 40 hour PTO. Enjoy your weekend staycation this year, see you on Monday.

Drive a truck for Wal-Mart.  You'll skitter back to Haahaa in 6 months.

The grass isn't green anywhere.



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Msg ID: 2739186 AMC pay raise +0/-0     
Author:Green
8/15/2022 6:57:15 PM

Reply to: 2738106

where ur happy.  Find it.



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Msg ID: 2738140 AMC pay raise +2/-0     
Author:Terrible
8/6/2022 10:51:25 PM

Reply to: 2737930

is a bit dramatic but I get your point.  With 10 years flying civil in 1985 I was at 48k and all went up from there with retirement last year.  In today's dollars 48k then would be around 132k now.  86k may in fact not be what it should be but compensation is tied to more than inflation, type flying, plus or minus.



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