Msg ID:
2735800 |
disappointing gamesmanship +0/-2
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Author:player
7/15/2022 5:56:26 PM
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Don't know who to trust, corporate or union |
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Msg ID:
2735801 |
Remember one thing: Corporate pays you money, union takes it (NT) +4/-8
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Author:Anonymous
7/15/2022 6:11:01 PM
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Msg ID:
2735803 |
Corporate tries to pay you the least. But union, more pay you get, the mor +7/-3
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Author:e money they get.
7/15/2022 6:35:56 PM
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Union is lesser of two evils. |
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Msg ID:
2735809 |
Corporate tries to pay you the least. But union, more pay you get, the mor +0/-0
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Author:hiredhand
7/15/2022 7:04:39 PM
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Wonder how many will leave before August 5th, and then after that based on their offer? |
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Msg ID:
2735813 |
Probably a decent amount... +0/-0
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Author:...
7/15/2022 8:01:28 PM
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A mix of people who:
-Planning to leave for the airlines/fixed wing -Will move to wherever and for whatever company as long as it pay more -Are at an AMC base and close to GMR and will switch there. -Live right next to an AMC base and won't switch to something farther for more pay -Are planning to retire in the next few years and don't want to change companies/move
Then you have to consider the people who were possibly going to apply to AMC but now will go with GMR. |
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Msg ID:
2735816 |
Unions look out for themselves first (and their pockets) (NT) +1/-4
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Author:Free money is their mindset!
7/15/2022 8:48:53 PM
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Msg ID:
2735818 |
Unions look out for themselves first (and their pockets) +1/-3
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Author:Hmmm
7/15/2022 9:01:33 PM
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Seems to me having a union is just another level of management. Is is worth it? |
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Msg ID:
2735810 |
Remember one thing: Corporate pays you money, union takes it +1/-1
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Author:Company man brown noser
7/15/2022 7:07:06 PM
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Says th |
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Msg ID:
2735808 |
Union has been far more transparent and company caught in severe lies (NT) +3/-1
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Author:So, I’m going with union
7/15/2022 7:04:35 PM
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Msg ID:
2735812 |
Curious if the Union Negotiating team +0/-0
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Author:Gets paid and if they are
7/15/2022 7:11:36 PM
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Drawing it out for their own pockets of someone is getting paid. just sayin that some union presidents and VP don't get paid anything or salary in Representing the employees. kind of like a Lawyer billing their clients for every single dime email |
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2735814 |
I don't believe they do, but I've been known to be wrong. +0/-0
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Author:...
7/15/2022 8:02:59 PM
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I think they get some type of salary or payment but it's fixed, so they don't get paid hourly for more negotiating work.
Probably just for hotels and travels, unless they're doing it over Zoom or Skype or something. |
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Msg ID:
2735817 |
You forget the very self-approved overly generoius per diem +0/-1
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Author:and reimbursement they get too!
7/15/2022 8:51:59 PM
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Making over $50k a year just for having the title! |
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Msg ID:
2735819 |
Ever seen how much ALPA union officers get paid? (NT) +0/-1
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Author:Many 6 figures
7/15/2022 9:12:25 PM
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Msg ID:
2735823 |
ALPA union officer don't get paid anything! ZERO! +0/-0
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Author:except the international president
7/15/2022 10:18:34 PM
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Every officer in every MEC, including stewards, get ZERO. They might get reimbursed for hotel and travel expenses, but do not earn a penny for a salary/stipend/wage. |
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Msg ID:
2735824 |
False. They get paid a salary equal to their company pay. +1/-1
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Author:Most 6 figures
7/15/2022 10:19:49 PM
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They get their full time employee pay and work the union full time as officers. Better check yourself |
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Msg ID:
2735825 |
BS they do! +0/-1
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Author:Been there pal!
7/15/2022 10:38:38 PM
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Straight from the ALPA Constitution:
SECTION 9 - OFFICERS
A. Each Master Executive Council shall have the following elected officers: a Chair, a Vice Chair and a Secretary-Treasurer or a Secretary and a Treasurer if such option is chosen under subparagraphA(1) below.
(1) On an airline having two (2) or more Local Councils or an airline having one (1) Local Council subject to Article III, Section 1C, the Master Executive Council may elect, by majority vote at a meeting held at least thirty (30) days prior to an election for the office of Secretary-Treasurer, to establish separate elected offices of Secretary and Treasurer. A Master Executive Council which elects to establish such separate offices of Secretary and Treasurer shall not recombine such offices into a single office of Secretary-Treasurer except at a meeting held at least thirty (30) days prior to an election for the offices of Secretary and Treasurer. Any action taken by a Master Executive Council to separate or recombine such offices shall be reported in writing by the Master Chair to the Vice President Administration/Secretary within ten (10) days.
B. There shall be no salary in connection with any office of a Master Executive Council |
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Msg ID:
2735826 |
They still make their company salary!!! 6 figures (NT) +1/-0
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Author:not working for free
7/15/2022 10:56:47 PM
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Msg ID:
2735827 |
The MEC at an airline are line holders. They get their line salaries +0/-0
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Author:if they work for ALPA during their....
7/15/2022 11:05:18 PM
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... line trip, they get their line guarentee, and ALPA reinburses the loss to the company. It's called Flight Pay Loss. They are not earning any salary, they are being compensated for the salary they were gurarenteed.
Nobody on the MEC works 100% for the union, giving up their flying job. They are full time pilots, who occasionally work for the union and get Flight Pay Loss to keep the same salary they normally earn:
SECTION 5 – PRINCIPLES FOR COMPENSATION POLICY Flight pay loss, in terms of what an officer, representative or member could earn pursuant to the collective bargaining agreement if engaged in line flying, shall continue to be a part of compensation policy under Sections 2 through 4 above. The Board of Directors or Executive Board may further establish policy which recognizes the need for other methods of fair and equitable compensation and days off for officers, representatives and members assigned to part time or full time duty with the Association |
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Msg ID:
2735831 |
Sooo….they are paid. Work union full time. Most over 6 figures (NT) +1/-0
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Author:Thank you for proving me right
7/16/2022 12:18:47 AM
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Msg ID:
2735838 |
No, they are not paid to be union officers! They earn ZERO salary from +0/-1
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Author:union above their regular salary!
7/16/2022 7:00:02 AM
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Unlike the OPEIU and it's local 109, who earn salaries over and above their earnings every month, regardless of their schedule, approved soley by the board itself after the union imposed a change in the Constitution during trusteeship REMOVING membership ratification of such payments! |
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Msg ID:
2735860 |
Oh, and another thing: ALPA wont let officers remain on their MEC if they +1/-1
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Author:resign as a pilot @ company either!
7/16/2022 9:53:30 AM
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You can't sit on the MEC if you quit the company the union sits against. Your officership ends the moment you resign as you are no longer a part of the class and craft.
What a concept! |
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Msg ID:
2735882 |
Agreed. 6 figures to do full time union work. Must be nice (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Great deal!
7/16/2022 2:41:16 PM
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Msg ID:
2735965 |
Members are paying that, and it's isn't a penny more than his contractual (NT) +0/-0
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Author:line pilot pay, unlike 109's cash cow
7/17/2022 7:48:18 AM
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Msg ID:
2735829 |
What lies have they been "caught" in? (NT) +1/-0
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Author:You're FOS
7/15/2022 11:19:53 PM
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Msg ID:
2735875 |
Here’s one. They aren’t an industry leader (NT) +1/-0
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Author:Except from the bottom up
7/16/2022 12:47:53 PM
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Msg ID:
2735913 |
See, like I said, you can't keep trashing the company and expecting them (NT) +0/-0
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Author:to sit down with you w/o a referee!
7/16/2022 6:04:29 PM
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Msg ID:
2735880 |
Like you said, it’s the company that decides pay. underpaid or no raise (NT) +2/-0
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Author:It’s the company’s fault!
7/16/2022 2:16:14 PM
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