| Msg ID: 2734454 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +5/-2
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| Author:AG maybe 2500 hrs.
7/4/2022 8:13:53 PM |
Now a heart beat and low experpence gets you in. Hence why a 800 hr pilot spraying, is dead. |
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| Msg ID: 2734458 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +1/-4
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| Author:Nah
7/4/2022 8:28:22 PM Reply to: 2734454 |
that's complete garbage bro. you must be stoned |
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| Msg ID: 2734460 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +5/-1
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| Author:Far from garbage
7/4/2022 8:34:59 PM Reply to: 2734458 |
Eighties, early nineties that was the upper tier and required by some operators. The standard was either 3000 or 4000. |
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| Msg ID: 2734464 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +4/-4
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| Author:yeah who cares
7/4/2022 9:03:01 PM Reply to: 2734460 |
all you did was crash back then. have a point next time bro. |
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| Msg ID: 2734467 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +7/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
7/4/2022 9:30:41 PM Reply to: 2734464 |
Before NVGs. There were a lot of fatalities. Count yourself lucky if you're not aware of that. It was a much more hazardous job back then. |
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| Msg ID: 2734468 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +4/-7
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| Author:ok sure but
7/4/2022 9:35:14 PM Reply to: 2734467 |
there was never a day when you needed 5,000 hours for a stupid ems job. never, |
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| Msg ID: 2734469 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +6/-0
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| Author:Ok,ok
7/4/2022 9:38:29 PM Reply to: 2734468 |
I guess after being in this for greater than 25 years, I don't know what I'm taking about. Especially considering I was very aware of minimums since that was the round about time I was job hunting...Bro! |
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| Msg ID: 2734480 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +5/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
7/5/2022 12:37:03 AM Reply to: 2734468 |
State EMS Board required 3000 flight hours, but that wasn't competitive for the job. Yep, 5000 was probably pretty close. It was a lot harder to get into HEMS then, and it wasn't an entry-level job. Mostly university programs. Before a 206 could be found on every streetcorner, like it is today. |
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| Msg ID: 2734482 |
He's correct +3/-0
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| Author:------
7/5/2022 5:23:49 AM Reply to: 2734464 |
In terms of time required, back in the 90's and even early 2000s, the minimums to higher were much higher. They started coming down in the mid 2000s - Not saying they are "too low", but in the 90s, if you didn't have thousands of horus of turbine time, good luck trying to get a job. Regional airlines were the same. It was extremely difficult to get a job with them. Now, they are practically begging people to come aboard. |
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| Msg ID: 2734471 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +6/-1
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| Author::-)
7/4/2022 9:49:06 PM Reply to: 2734454 |
You're obviously very experienced and knowledgeable about the industry. And Gordon you. I would put out there that I hired on at a little over 2500 TT a few years back and have found the job to be relatively anti-climactic. I'm not saying that there haven't been some challenging situations, but 98% of the time, EMS has been some of the easiest flying I've ever done. Flying's the easy part. It's the people that are the hard part of the job alot of the time. Just my two cents. |
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| Msg ID: 2734472 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +0/-3
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| Author:it's not obvious
7/4/2022 10:27:19 PM Reply to: 2734471 |
he knows anything about the industry |
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| Msg ID: 2734474 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +14/-4
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| Author:Let me explain young lad
7/4/2022 11:31:52 PM Reply to: 2734471 |
You have to understand that back then, GOMs, Opspecs, and FARs were much more lax. And many operators also paid by the flights. Minimums were a lot lower, 500-1/2. Equipment was good, but the technology was not as accurate; often even using NDBs. This is why they required so many hours. It was considered the top of the line job back then. When I started, there were only 70 EMS helicopters nationwide, and someone had to retire or die to land the coveted position. And yes, with lack of rules, regulations, and basic instruments without auto pilots, many did die. It's been dumbed down and is easy now. Equipment is so much better and the minimums have increased to a point where most are afraid to fly if it isn't 5000- 10. Crews are now in the equation with decision making...something unheard of back in the day. So conservative now which in some ways equates to lower hour requirements. I do know what I'm talking about. Much more risky with no goggles and flying at 300 feet in garbage when I started. It was the expectation, and the high number of hours made it an expectation. These days, the pilots in some ways are lazier than the crews. You don't need much total time to fly a bed and control the TV remote to watch Telitubbies. Sad, really. |
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| Msg ID: 2734476 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +0/-0
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| Author:And....
7/4/2022 11:41:09 PM Reply to: 2734474 |
To put things into real perspective, there were only 3 Air Evac bases at that time. |
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| Msg ID: 2734481 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +2/-1
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| Author:Retired
7/5/2022 4:29:56 AM Reply to: 2734474 |
back in the days the only nav. Was either a county street map, or Rnav. there was no lorane,GPS. IFR was I follow roads, and when you tryed a short cut getting lost was then results and hopefully you can find the road you started on. To this day it's amazing that some of us survived . e |
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| Msg ID: 2734486 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +0/-0
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| Author:Heli pilot
7/5/2022 7:15:53 AM Reply to: 2734481 |
Exactly spot on. I can remember my company flying EMS in a 206B111. ( if you can believe that)! |
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| Msg ID: 2734488 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +0/-2
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| Author:You have probably never flown EMS
7/5/2022 9:04:21 AM Reply to: 2734474 |
just spent a lot of time on jh. nothing you wrote has much basis in reality. |
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| Msg ID: 2734489 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +4/-0
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| Author:Naysayers Like You Always Bad
7/5/2022 9:08:43 AM Reply to: 2734488 |
Mouth. You declare what wasn't, but never offer a version of what was. Your overall contribution makes the world a lesser place. |
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| Msg ID: 2734495 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +1/-3
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| Author:I do enjoy it when
7/5/2022 9:20:01 AM Reply to: 2734489 |
an internet pilot comes on and regales us with stories of things that never happened to them. |
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| Msg ID: 2734501 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +3/-0
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| Author:Then You Are Ignorant Or You
7/5/2022 9:28:20 AM Reply to: 2734495 |
Don't enjoy yourself at all. Unless what you actually enjoy is bitterness, and malice. |
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| Msg ID: 2734505 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +0/-2
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| Author:nobody ever quit an EMS job
7/5/2022 9:54:17 AM Reply to: 2734474 |
as they were so coveted. we used ndbs! lol who the hell believes this crap. |
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| Msg ID: 2734506 |
There was a day when ems wouldn’t touch you under 5000 hrs. +0/-0
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| Author:I sure wish flying EMS was
7/5/2022 10:21:23 AM Reply to: 2734474 |
more dangerous so it would mean something to somebody. It's sad, really. lol |
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