| Msg ID: 2734436 |
How to understand AMC CBA Negotiations +4/-0
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| Author:Ex-AMCer
7/4/2022 4:23:47 PM |
Certain discussions took place involving a full and frank exchange of views, out of which there arose a series of proposals which, on further examination, proved to indicate certain promising lines of enquiry which, when persued, lead to the realization that alternative courses of action, might in fact, in certain circumstances, be susceptible of discrete modification leading to a reappraisal of the original areas of difference and pointing the way to encouraging possibilities of compromise and cooperation which, if bilaterally implemented with appropriate give and take, on both sides, might, if the climate were conducive, have a reasonable possibility, at the end of the day, leading, rightly or wrongly, to a mutually satisfactory resolution.
There, got it now? |
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| Msg ID: 2734438 |
How to understand AMC CBA Negotiations +0/-0
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| Author:Pretty
7/4/2022 4:38:12 PM Reply to: 2734436 |
Much |
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| Msg ID: 2734442 |
How to understand AMC CBA Negotiations +0/-0
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| Author:BigT
7/4/2022 5:27:23 PM Reply to: 2734436 |
The situation was clarified in the TPS reports. Did you not get the memo? |
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| Msg ID: 2734443 |
How to understand AMC CBA Negotiations (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Turbo Encabulator
7/4/2022 5:37:24 PM Reply to: 2734436 |
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| Msg ID: 2734446 |
For an "ex-AMC'er, you sure do know a lot about (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:present negotiations! Poser!~
7/4/2022 7:02:15 PM Reply to: 2734436 |
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| Msg ID: 2734450 |
What negotiations? AMC still refusing to negotiate!!! (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Why?
7/4/2022 7:37:56 PM Reply to: 2734436 |
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| Msg ID: 2734451 |
Nice try! They solicited the NMB mediator, who sets the schedule (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:for negotiations.
7/4/2022 7:42:10 PM Reply to: 2734450 |
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| Msg ID: 2734457 |
They refused direct talks and NO requirement to have a mediator present. (NT) +1/-0
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| Author:Even with NMB assigned, per RLA
7/4/2022 8:23:01 PM Reply to: 2734451 |
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| Msg ID: 2734461 |
The quickest and fairest way to negotiate (for all parties, including (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:the pilots) is to have a mediator!
7/4/2022 8:53:19 PM Reply to: 2734457 |
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| Msg ID: 2734498 |
Good thing the company understands that simple truth! (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
7/5/2022 9:22:17 AM Reply to: 2734461 |
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| Msg ID: 2734509 |
False.Quickest way is 2 WILLING & professional parties +0/-0
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| Author:Most NEVER reach mediation
7/5/2022 10:27:43 AM Reply to: 2734498 |
A mediator has NO authority to force either party to accept/reject proposals, nor do they have the authority to ratify a contract or put one out to vote. They simply schedule dates and locations to meet and nothing more. Something that the parties could do, much faster by the way, if they are WILLING and want resolution. The mediator doesn't even have the authority to require a party to talk to exchange proposals, so stop with your silliness. You have zero clue! |
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| Msg ID: 2734522 |
False.Quickest way is 2 WILLING & professional parties +0/-0
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| Author:You Probably Have Never Heard
7/5/2022 11:35:50 AM Reply to: 2734509 |
Of binding arbitration. |
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| Msg ID: 2734525 |
You’ve probably not heard of comprehension (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Or read the RLA and NMB process
7/5/2022 12:01:45 PM Reply to: 2734522 |
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| Msg ID: 2734528 |
Binding arbitration is actually part of the RLA process. It's +0/-0
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| Author:what those Atlas pilot's are miffed at
7/5/2022 12:27:04 PM Reply to: 2734525 |
Remember? |
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| Msg ID: 2734526 |
Oh, so did you WILLINGLY accept the company's proposal recently? +0/-0
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| Author:Back, forth, back, forth. Which is ...
7/5/2022 12:15:43 PM Reply to: 2734509 |
why the QUICKEST and fairest way to negotiate is with the mediator from the start. They can schedule, assign homework, sanction bad faith tactics, and get both parties (which includes the pilot's who initiated this whole process) to a conclusion. I'm really nuch more knowledgeable about this than you might think! |
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| Msg ID: 2734563 |
A mediator is NOT an arbitrator. You don’t seem as knowledgeable (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:As YOU think!
7/5/2022 3:06:00 PM Reply to: 2734526 |
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| Msg ID: 2734602 |
Didn't say he was. That was someone else. Also, you didn't +0/-0
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| Author:respond to the union WILLINGLY turning
7/5/2022 5:35:22 PM Reply to: 2734563 |
down the company's offer. Takes two to tango, any you only want it your way. Mediator is the neutral disinterested 3rd party referee, who will take the negotiations to their conclusion the QUICKEST and FAIREST way possible. Especially when the union won't willing agree quicly to the company's offerings. |
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| Msg ID: 2734605 |
AMC has not presented ANY proposals to the Union. U should read the actual (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Union forum for updates
7/5/2022 5:46:39 PM Reply to: 2734602 |
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| Msg ID: 2734661 |
Sure they have. You ignored it and didn't attempt to (NT) +0/-2
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| Author:contractualize it, to reach a speedy end
7/6/2022 9:36:25 AM Reply to: 2734605 |
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| Msg ID: 2734667 |
Don’t know who this “you” keep referring to is but union forum and amc +0/-0
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| Author:townhalls say no amc proposal yet
7/6/2022 10:43:55 AM Reply to: 2734661 |
Don't know where you get your info, but you are wrong. According to both the company and union, the company has not made any proposals and refuse to until they have an NMB mediator present.... |
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| Msg ID: 2734716 |
NEGOTIATOINS SHOULDN'T TAKE YEARS +0/-0
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| Author:FOR A RAISE
7/6/2022 5:07:10 PM Reply to: 2734667 |
tell the company to pay or negotiate something or we strike...Shouldn't take YEARS!!!! thats a joke |
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| Msg ID: 2734732 |
It's trying to collectively decide what you want to give up for that raise (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:that takes up all the time!
7/6/2022 8:15:38 PM Reply to: 2734716 |
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| Msg ID: 2734764 |
Worked well for Local 108! (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
7/7/2022 8:50:19 AM Reply to: 2734716 |
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| Msg ID: 2734782 |
How to understand AMC CBA Negotiations +0/-0
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| Author:Got it.
7/7/2022 1:48:03 PM Reply to: 2734436 |
Management fearing for their bonuses and investor support. NBAA |
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