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Msg ID: 2732063 AMC profits up. Inflation up. Pilot COL raise? AMC says Nah. +2/-1     
Author:Boned in the cooch
6/11/2022 9:41:56 PM

AMC has rejected the cost-of-living ("COL") and inflation raise that was proposed by the Union. With the COL and inflation rates continuing to rise in May and being projected to rise further this month, this raise would have not only have been some much needed financial relief but a huge boost in morale considering the current state of the industry and our competitors.

AMC provided no explanation on why they would not agree to, or even engage in discussion for such an important and timely raise. This is disappointing considering that AMC is coming off a record breaking year of transports and revenue and their push for us to exceed that this year. We share the same frustrations that many of you have expressed when seeing the level of time, energy, and money being spent by AMC on other programs and products. After all, we are the primary revenue generators for AMC and without us and our hard work, none of this would be possible.

After we received the notice that AMC rejected our proposal we sent a request for the company to reconsider. We apologize for the delay in getting this information out, but we wanted to give the company adequate time to consider the benefits that this raise would have provided to the employees while allowing them a reasonable time to respond. We were optimistic (more importantly hopeful) that the company would change their mind and do the right thing by their employee's. Unfortunately, that request has fallen on deaf ears and AMC has declined to respond or engage in direct negotiations with the union. Instead, AMC has decided to bypass procedures outlined in the Railway Labor Act (RLA) and immediately filed for mediation with the National Mediation Board (NMB). This is an indication to us that the willingness and desire to ratify a fair and reasonable contract in a timely manner is regretably not matched by the Company.

We anticipate that without a change in priorities and cooperation by the company this will be a very long and drawn out process that could have been completely avoided. Our hope is that we will have more promising news to release in the future and we encourage everyone to get involved and be active on the official union forum.



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Msg ID: 2732064 AMC profits up. Inflation up. Pilot COL raise? AMC says Nah. +10/-0     
Author:Double boned in the hatch
6/11/2022 9:43:18 PM

Reply to: 2732063

Attention AMC pilots: QUIT BAILING AMC OUT! STOP PICKING UP OT / WORKOVER SHIFTS!!!



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Msg ID: 2732066 Yep. AMC pilots who pick up OT are feeding the pig. JUST STOP +6/-0     
Author:Sick and tired
6/11/2022 9:45:49 PM

Reply to: 2732064

Quit filling empty shifts to bring them to the table



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Msg ID: 2732069 You are violating the RLA by telling them that dude! +0/-1     
Author:Status Quo means Status Quo!
6/11/2022 9:49:45 PM

Reply to: 2732066

You filed for Section 6, so live by it!



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Msg ID: 2732075 Status Quo doesn’t apply and section 6 has nothing to do with it.Uneducated (NT) +1/-0     
Author:You are
6/11/2022 10:24:53 PM

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Msg ID: 2732083 You are violating the RLA by telling them that dude! (NT) +1/-1     
Author:Wrong
6/11/2022 11:01:44 PM

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Msg ID: 2732088 You’re a lost and misguided soul (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Who has no clue
6/11/2022 11:23:53 PM

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Msg ID: 2732095 Beats being a ignorant one! You don't read much, do you? +0/-1     
Author:Our union leaders are reckless!
6/12/2022 12:36:17 AM

Reply to: 2732088

https://www.reuters.com/article/labor-injunction/union-cant-encourage-pilot-work-slowdown-during-contract-talks-d-c-circuit-idUSL2N2461A8

 

 



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Msg ID: 2732119 Please provide your source where the “union” has encouraged anything (NT) +0/-0     
Author:You can’t.You lie. Union is actually
6/12/2022 8:29:55 AM

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Msg ID: 2732128 The union needs to discourage it. Not doing so, is encouraging it! (NT) +0/-3     
Author:Countless lesson learned examples!
6/12/2022 9:21:29 AM

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Msg ID: 2732256 Go ahead sign your name and post a letter discouraging this. If you don’t… (NT) +0/-0     
Author:You’re complicit and an accomplice
6/13/2022 2:40:48 PM

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Msg ID: 2732785 That's actually the job,/duty/responsibility of the President (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
6/17/2022 8:52:29 PM

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Msg ID: 2732147 Beats being a ignorant one! You don't read much, do you? (NT) +0/-0     
Author:A pilot=/=the union
6/12/2022 4:12:18 PM

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Msg ID: 2732292 AMC profits up. Inflation up. Pilot COL raise? AMC says Nah. +0/-0     
Author:Pilots financially strapped
6/13/2022 8:08:15 PM

Reply to: 2732064

Therefore they cant afford to turn away from the overtime.  its a generation of Bose Headsets, rims for their lowered Subaru and the fancy ray bans.  Apartment rent clilmbing through the roof!



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Msg ID: 2732065 They didn't say "Nah" to a raise! They said "Nah" to the high raise (NT) +1/-1     
Author:union was begging for. Tell it right!
6/11/2022 9:44:39 PM

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Msg ID: 2732067 Why are you telling pilots to violate the Status Quo of the RLA? (NT) +0/-2     
Author:That's acting in bad faith, bro!
6/11/2022 9:46:46 PM

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Msg ID: 2732077 You have zero clue what you are talking about. Only one violating RLA has (NT) +2/-0     
Author:Been air methods. Facts are hard
6/11/2022 10:30:18 PM

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Msg ID: 2732138 How is AMC violating the RLA? Provide some of those FACTS (NT) +0/-0     
Author:you have been boasting!
6/12/2022 12:27:38 PM

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Msg ID: 2732084 Why are you telling pilots to violate the Status Quo of the RLA? +0/-1     
Author:Wrong
6/11/2022 11:02:53 PM

Reply to: 2732067

again.



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Msg ID: 2732068 They said "Nah" to a COL raise (NT) +1/-0     
Author:That's the truth
6/11/2022 9:47:20 PM

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Msg ID: 2732070 A COL raise was all the union was asking for?? (NT) +0/-0     
Author:That was the whole package?
6/11/2022 9:51:42 PM

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Msg ID: 2732078 No.union asked for relief raise that was separate from negotiations and any +1/-0     
Author:Status quo or RLA rules.Seems like uniom
6/11/2022 10:32:32 PM

Reply to: 2732070

Made a strong strategic power play to energize their base and paint a clear picture of what kind of people are running this company at the executive levels; running it into the ground that is.



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Msg ID: 2732130 Separate? You are in Section 6 negotiations! There is no "separate" here! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:STATUS QUO until a new CBA ratified!
6/12/2022 9:22:55 AM

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Msg ID: 2732076 They said NAH to ANY raise and refused to negotiate for ANYthing +3/-0     
Author:Union was willing to negotiate as always
6/11/2022 10:29:32 PM

Reply to: 2732065

8.6% inflation rate and 3.25% as current annual...no math whiz but that works out to be 11.85%. Throw in projected inflation of at least .25% through August 5th and thats an easy 12..1%

seems like the union was spot on with the raise and well prepared, while air methods was not. It's okay. Thanks to the last contract air methods will either pay now or pay more later because if I were the union I would have told air methods they had their chance and now they will pay even more and with full back pay. 



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Msg ID: 2732089 Seems like the Union baited the company and they fell for it again  +9/-0     
Author:now the company are the ‘bad guys’
6/11/2022 11:28:51 PM

Reply to: 2732063

Company could have came back and said we will give yoh 8%, 10%, even 3.25% for that matter and put the blame back on the union for no raise. But, they didn't and the union outplayed these guys once again. The union should not accept anything until a final contract is ready to be voted on. Let them squirm and feel the repurcussions screwing over tenured and loyal emloyees. Nothing less than 12% now! Nice work boys.



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Msg ID: 2732093 Seems like the Union baited the company and they fell for it again  +0/-1     
Author:Don’
6/11/2022 11:36:43 PM

Reply to: 2732089

hold your breath.



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Msg ID: 2732097 Outplayed? How lame is that analysis! (NT) +1/-1     
Author:They still write the paychecks
6/12/2022 12:59:08 AM

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Msg ID: 2732090 AMC profits up. Inflation up. Pilot COL raise? AMC says Nah. +1/-0     
Author:In an
6/11/2022 11:29:21 PM

Reply to: 2732063

inflationary environment it is very difficult to increase employee compensation quickly until the financial environment better defines itself.  Sounds like double talk and rude but if you think inflation is not starting to have a really big impact on the company bottom line that is mistaken.  

Back in the inflationary environment post Vietnam, particularly late '70s early '80s interest rates hit 19%.  My mortgage was at 14%.  The entire era was tough for all companies and employees.  By most indications the ride ahead is not going to be short and not comfortable.

If the CBA does not include adjustments for inflation I wish you luck.

If you have a relatively secure job now would be the time to become quite conservative with your finances and ride this out.  



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Msg ID: 2732185 Lades and Gentlemen...  +4/-0     
Author:Anonymous
6/12/2022 10:36:05 PM

Reply to: 2732090

There is much more money to be made in other jobs than an HAA pilot.  Flying AND non-flying.  Vote with your feet and get out now.  Stop holding your breath for AMC to give a measly wage increase...



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Msg ID: 2732279 AMC profits up. Inflation up. Pilot COL raise? AMC says Nah. +2/-0     
Author:Ex AMCer
6/13/2022 6:30:54 PM

Reply to: 2732063

It can hardly have come as a surprise that all proposals are rejected and a mediator sought, that was AMC's tactic in the first two contract negotiations.

Delay, Delay Delay, push back any new contract for as long as possible. Usually 2-3 years or longer if they can.

Meanwhile the pilot salaries stagnate and more importantly, any increase only reflects what would have been adequate three years earlier, not taking into account any inflation in the intervening years and the value of salaries declines year after year in such a way that by the time, 3 years down the road, a new CBA is ratified, even though several million dollars will have been spent on their lawyers, the company have actually saved money. Additionally by holding up the pilots pay increases they can effectively use that to hold pay raises for the maintenance staff too. Another big saving. 

Whilst it is inappropriate to measure Pilot salaries against increasing management and executive staff pay or even medical personnel as each performs a function with a different value criteria based on education, experience, (Good 'ole boy network) market forces, etc., It is appropriate to examine the manner in whch the union perform their obligations for negotiations on behalf of the pilots.

At every CBA juncture the Union have advised AMC of their intention to renegotiate and thereafter the sequence of events has followed exactly the same pattern. Back and forth, meetings, meetings, meetings, ad nauseum, NMB, meetings, meetings, meetings, month after month, year after year, until finally a CBA.

What was Einsteins famous comment about doing the same things over and over again and expecting a different result?

I would suggest that what the Union is missing is the to need to create a situation PRIOR to the negotiations that make AMC want to negotiate and resolve those negotiations quickly. And the only way that will ever happen is that their financial situation is directly and significantly impacted before negotiations begin, not afterwards with "Let's not do a workover now."

However we are where we are now and SNAFU is in place. Obviously leaving shifts uncovered would be a positive step IF and only IF everyone was on board with that decision but the very fact that AMC see that that does not happen emboldens them to continue the protracted process. Having settled on any CBA previously that they knew three years down the road would probably mean the pilots would be only too willing to carry out workovers to keep abreast of inflation, they had no doubt then that history would repeat itself when the time came for renewal and so it continues.

Wise up pilots, get united and all reading from the same game plan. Its in your interest.

Just my 2c 

 



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Msg ID: 2732307 AMC profits up. Inflation up. Pilot COL raise? AMC says Nah. (NT) +0/-0     
Author:EXCELLENT FEEDBACK! Thanks!
6/14/2022 1:06:42 AM

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Msg ID: 2732372 AMC profits up. Inflation up. Pilot COL raise? AMC says Nah. +0/-0     
Author:Unity
6/14/2022 5:07:48 PM

Reply to: 2732279

and how to achieve it in the practical, usable sense IS the key to effective negotiations.

That is the silver bullet to be discovered.



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