| Msg ID: 2731531 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-5
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| Author:Cruising
6/6/2022 3:07:19 PM |
Does anyone know if the companies requiring 200hrs night are firm on that? Or has anyone seen some flexibility in the hiring process. Thanks |
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| Msg ID: 2731532 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-3
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| Author:Tours
6/6/2022 3:18:45 PM Reply to: 2731531 |
Oh yeah, you'll get 200 night hours flying tours easy! Everybody does it. |
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| Msg ID: 2731533 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +1/-3
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| Author:Anonymous
6/6/2022 4:06:21 PM Reply to: 2731532 |
Who's talking about tours? The OP question was in regards to HAA, go back to sleep. |
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| Msg ID: 2731535 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +1/-4
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| Author:You Are The One Who Needs More
6/6/2022 4:19:46 PM Reply to: 2731533 |
Sleep. The Tours reply is telling the low time night guy to get his night time by going tours. There is a path to getting to a HAA job, and the tours reply guy is telling the low night time guy to quit looking for shortcuts. |
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| Msg ID: 2731536 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +1/-1
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| Author:Anonymous
6/6/2022 4:35:02 PM Reply to: 2731535 |
What? |
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| Msg ID: 2731537 |
Same as it ever was +7/-2
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| Author:Flexible on both sides
6/6/2022 5:16:09 PM Reply to: 2731531 |
If you're flexible on base assignment I'm sure the company will be flexible on hiring minimums. If you're willing to take a chronically understaffed base I bet they'll take you with almost no questions asked. |
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| Msg ID: 2731549 |
Same as it ever was +3/-0
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| Author:Go IFR night in FW
6/6/2022 9:14:48 PM Reply to: 2731537 |
Surprised you will qualify if your night hours are low as most companies require NVG time. Maybe get some fixed wing IFR time at night, it will pay dividends later. |
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| Msg ID: 2731572 |
Same as it ever was +5/-0
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| Author:Good advice
6/7/2022 8:56:22 AM Reply to: 2731549 |
Best IFR training is at night. |
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| Msg ID: 2731649 |
Same as it ever was +1/-0
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| Author:True.
6/8/2022 9:58:58 AM Reply to: 2731549 |
Getting comfortable in the NAS IFR system by riding along on FW flights relieves huge apprehensions and will answer a lot of questions leaving brain power to pay attention to flying the helicopter. In the helicopter world one must also deal with odd ways of starting an IFR leg, discontinuing it (especially if still in Class B airspace), getting clearances, void time realities and so on. Good luck, and good advice. |
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| Msg ID: 2731594 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +11/-3
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| Author:get real job
6/7/2022 1:51:59 PM Reply to: 2731531 |
Go into utility and get some real experience under your belt. Then come HAA. Go fly frost, go fly Ag, fire fight, charter, etc. Don't come here after 1 year instructing, and 1-2 years tours. We don't need 1TT wonders. |
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| Msg ID: 2731614 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +1/-3
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| Author:yeah
6/7/2022 8:46:20 PM Reply to: 2731594 |
go fly frost lol. Ag, yessir, that will get you ready for meds crews and part 135. I don't think I've met one EMS pilot that has done any of those things. |
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| Msg ID: 2731628 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +1/-9
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| Author:AZ EMS
6/7/2022 11:53:44 PM Reply to: 2731594 |
I have to say some of the best pilots I have ever flown and worked with took the 1 year flight instructor/1.5 - 2 years of tourist flying and moved to HAA. Experience is great but a young pilot with great training (and proper correction of bad habits, if any) can be awesome. |
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| Msg ID: 2731629 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +12/-2
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| Author:Anonymous
6/8/2022 4:14:51 AM Reply to: 2731628 |
they can also be in over their heads. and not realize or admit it until it's too late. with innocent passengers onboard. or simply under-perform because they learned to be "commercial pilots" by flying up and down the same strip or flying the same pattern 1000's of times. there is no "correcting" anything. who would do the correcting? the nurse? it's a single pilot job, you bring skills, you don't build skills. and certainly not at 100 hrs/year. ems is a retirement gig. go have fun. learn your trade, build skills and experience. have adventures. see the world. ems will always be here when you're done. you'll be a better ems pilot for it. |
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| Msg ID: 2731700 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +2/-1
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| Author:How is it possible to say something
6/8/2022 6:59:44 PM Reply to: 2731629 |
this stupid. The mind reels. "I have to say some of the best pilots I have ever flown and worked with took the 1 year flight instructor/1.5 - 2 years of tourist flying and moved to HAA. Experience is great but a young pilot with great training (and proper correction of bad habits, if any) can be awesome." |
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| Msg ID: 2731715 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +1/-2
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| Author:AZ EMS
6/9/2022 4:08:52 AM Reply to: 2731700 |
Must be a high time pilot huh?!? Lol |
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| Msg ID: 2731803 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +2/-0
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| Author:let me guess
6/9/2022 9:55:22 PM Reply to: 2731715 |
you are a low time guy that did tours and went HAA amirite. explains the awesomeness lol |
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| Msg ID: 2731829 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +1/-1
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| Author:AZ EMS
6/10/2022 2:09:06 AM Reply to: 2731803 |
Nope just someone who has worked with alot of them. PHI Air Med AS350 training is filled with those folks who got there background that way. And there training department is awesome! |
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| Msg ID: 2731914 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-0
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| Author:Uh no
6/10/2022 6:27:02 PM Reply to: 2731829 |
PHI's training department is not full of guys that went that route. Their training department is adequate. But good post. |
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| Msg ID: 2731973 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-0
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| Author:AZ EMS
6/11/2022 11:19:53 AM Reply to: 2731914 |
Pretty sure AZ is...might have been some Gulf flying too but just building time in light ship. I guess my whole point was don't write off the guys who went the flight instructor- tour operator route as inferior pilots. |
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| Msg ID: 2731974 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-0
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| Author:AZ EMS
6/11/2022 11:20:14 AM Reply to: 2731914 |
Pretty sure AZ is...might have been some Gulf flying too but just building time in light ship. I guess my whole point was don't write off the guys who went the flight instructor- tour operator route as inferior pilots. |
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| Msg ID: 2731975 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-0
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| Author:AZ EMS
6/11/2022 11:20:57 AM Reply to: 2731914 |
Pretty sure AZ is...might have been some Gulf flying too but just building time in light ship. I guess my whole point was don't write off the guys who went the flight instructor- tour operator route as inferior pilots. |
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| Msg ID: 2731804 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +1/-0
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| Author:let me guess
6/9/2022 9:56:04 PM Reply to: 2731715 |
you are a low time guy that did tours and went HAA amirite. explains the awesomeness lol |
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| Msg ID: 2731824 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-0
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| Author:Utilitarian
6/10/2022 12:52:34 AM Reply to: 2731804 |
A low time guy mentioned by keyboard meat servo at best is an outstanding example of Someone whome feels lacking in there own qualifications. Think, Why yes I am a low time, I spend most of my time low to the ground. Just sayin not sprayin, Cheese and rice, flea's and mice. EARN THE FUEL BURN! |
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| Msg ID: 2731825 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-0
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| Author:Utilitarian
6/10/2022 12:53:16 AM Reply to: 2731804 |
A low time guy mentioned by keyboard meat servo at best is an outstanding example of Someone whome feels lacking in there own qualifications. Think, Why yes I am a low time, I spend most of my time low to the ground. Just sayin not sprayin, Cheese and rice, flea's and mice. EARN THE FUEL BURN! |
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| Msg ID: 2731633 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +4/-2
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| Author:Yeah the tour pilot
6/8/2022 7:32:49 AM Reply to: 2731628 |
will amaze you with their skills in ems lol |
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| Msg ID: 2731676 |
Utility +0/-0
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| Author:OP
6/8/2022 1:55:04 PM Reply to: 2731633 |
Been flying utility for most of my career, so I've been fortunate to gain some good experience, just not a ton of night time. |
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| Msg ID: 2731731 |
Utility +0/-0
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| Author:Night?
6/9/2022 10:14:24 AM Reply to: 2731676 |
Perhaps consider buying a lower cost airplane, do a 20 hr add on ppl, fly a bunch of night then sell the airplane. |
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| Msg ID: 2731787 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-0
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| Author:no so fast
6/9/2022 5:59:30 PM Reply to: 2731594 |
If the subject is about night flying then going and flying utlity and fire is a waste of time... you wont get any night on either one.... when was the last time you plucked an ac unit at night or dropped water at night.... unless your program runs NVG's.
With the use of NVG's... night flying (unaided) is not the most important part of your day... Find companies that are realistic based on your experience... most will work with you.... insurance companies run the numbers game so getting past the recruiters and to the hiring managers is what will help. |
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| Msg ID: 2731786 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-0
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| Author:blade_slap
6/9/2022 5:51:49 PM Reply to: 2731531 |
why do you doooshe bags give this post a negative thumbs down?? Too many dooooshes in this industry and not enough pilots willing to just help out another |
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| Msg ID: 2731798 |
200 Hours Night for HAA (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:You Are Cherry Picking
6/9/2022 9:36:27 PM Reply to: 2731786 |
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| Msg ID: 2731799 |
200 Hours Night for HAA (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:You Are Cherry Picking
6/9/2022 9:37:09 PM Reply to: 2731786 |
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| Msg ID: 2731923 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-0
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| Author:Talk to the
6/10/2022 7:14:17 PM Reply to: 2731531 |
Companies, not this hang-out. |
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| Msg ID: 2731924 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-0
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| Author:Talk to the
6/10/2022 7:15:12 PM Reply to: 2731531 |
Companies, not this hang-out. |
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| Msg ID: 2731925 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-0
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| Author:Talk to the
6/10/2022 7:15:54 PM Reply to: 2731531 |
Companies, not this hang-out. |
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| Msg ID: 2731926 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-0
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| Author:Talk to the
6/10/2022 7:16:36 PM Reply to: 2731531 |
Companies, not this hang-out. |
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| Msg ID: 2731957 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +1/-2
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| Author::-)
6/11/2022 9:21:52 AM Reply to: 2731531 |
OP: The 200 hours night is likely an insurance or accreditation requirement; so there's not gonna be alot of flexibility there. As far as the others chiming in on how HAA needs guys with more experience, well... yes and no. Any segment of the helicopter industry benefits from having more seasoned, experienced pilots. But there's nothing so particularly demanding or difficult about HAA that would prevent a guy/gal coming from tours from doing well. I've been at it over 6 years... nothing special. |
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| Msg ID: 2731958 |
200 Hours Night for HAA +0/-1
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| Author::-)
6/11/2022 9:23:52 AM Reply to: 2731531 |
OP: The 200 hours night is likely an insurance or accreditation requirement; so there's not gonna be alot of flexibility there. As far as the others chiming in on how HAA needs guys with more experience, well... yes and no. Any segment of the helicopter industry benefits from having more seasoned, experienced pilots. But there's nothing so particularly demanding or difficult about HAA that would prevent a guy/gal coming from tours from doing well. I've been at it over 6 years... nothing special. |
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