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Msg ID: 2731283 EC145C2e +0/-2     
Author:As IFR platform
6/3/2022 4:40:22 PM

My company is looking at the Eurocopter EC145C2e for IFR. Pros and Cons of the eLite please?



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Msg ID: 2731296 EC145C2e +0/-0     
Author:Not sure what to use as a username
6/3/2022 7:03:14 PM

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I think the C2e was launched as a VFR ship. Haven't heard Airbus was delivering them IFR capable. 



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Msg ID: 2731298 EC145C2e +2/-1     
Author:Anonymous
6/3/2022 7:53:38 PM

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I believe Metro has a SPIFIR STC for the eLite with the installation of the Helisas autopilot. I've been told they are not that good of an IFR helicopter.



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Msg ID: 2731305 AMC has them +1/-1     
Author:Anonymous
6/3/2022 8:21:01 PM

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in the NE somwhere.  Buddy told me they had guys quit (or were threatening quitting) the program as they didn't feel they weren't safe in IFR conditions.  Glitchy interface between all the non-Airbus factory systems.  

Good luck



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Msg ID: 2731324 AMC has them +9/-0     
Author:anony
6/3/2022 11:17:36 PM

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Stay far away from the IFR e version, e in this case stand for "economy."  The lack of proper intergration between the Genesis displays and the helisas leaves much to be desired.  The 135/145 with standard airbus autopilot with the metro SPIFR mods (GNS or GTN varient) are great platforms, not talking about long leg fuel issues, but the avionics and autopilot are superb.  I'm not taking the helisas in that thing IMC.  The E in a VFR program, no problem, stripped down, light weight and simple.  Metro took an IFR aircraft and stripped it down which was fine, but then to rebuild it into an IFR machine putting inferior avionics back in it, no way.  Just stick with a standard C2 at that rate.  

Of course if money wasnt an issue the D3 is where its at.



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Msg ID: 2731339 EC145C2e +0/-0     
Author:Flying one soon
6/4/2022 12:30:23 PM

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Any examples of what may have happened in flight that makes this a weak IFR platform? What should I look out for on a demo flight?



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Msg ID: 2731340 EC145C2e +0/-0     
Author:c2e
6/4/2022 12:52:09 PM

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try IAS mode with 100knt.  



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Msg ID: 2731354 EC145C2e +0/-6     
Author:Anonymous
6/4/2022 5:09:18 PM

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Describe what you think is a problem. Don't be cryptic. Unless you want to say specifics, you got nothing. Anybody who is using an IAS mode much above 70 KIAS in helicopter operations isn't much of an IFR pilot or is just looking for something to b*tch about. Which is it with you?



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Msg ID: 2731357 EC145C2e +1/-0     
Author:CTWOer
6/4/2022 6:31:16 PM

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I routinely fly in IAS mode at 90 kts with RNAV approches.  The regular C2 handles it just fine.



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Msg ID: 2731442 EC145C2e +0/-1     
Author:Farmer
6/5/2022 3:31:06 PM

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Sounds like your actual experience flying with an autopilot is somewhere around nil.



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Msg ID: 2731360 EC145C2e +6/-0     
Author:Daily Flyer
6/4/2022 7:22:36 PM

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I fly a C2e daily for IFR operations. As others have said it is quite glitchy interacting with all the other avionics. The support is terrible, they come out with an "updated" firmware and it introduces more problems then solutions.

Example: The previous firmware revision was very touchy in the rate of roll. It would routinely overcorrect in heading mode because it would be too agressive with the rate of roll. They "Updated" the firmware and it fixed the rate of roll issue, but now the pitch in IAS mode is WAY out of control. I now have to fly all altitude changes in VSI mode because of the "updated" firmware. And we have no way to report to anyone the problems we are having with it to see if we can get them corrected in future updates. (And I even work for Metro)...

There are plenty of other little nuances that it does or doesn't do, too many to list here. But, I would say to stay away from it for now, until it get's a lot more of the kinks worked out of it.

It has the potential to be a good system and a solid performer, but with the lack of support we have no way to make it any better. Remember that the Airbus / Garmin systems have had YEARS of backing and trial and error to make their systems as good as they are today, this system could be super solid but it has light years to go before it ever performs like a Garmin or even the Airbus system.



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Msg ID: 2731474 EC145C2e +3/-1     
Author:Daily flyer 2
6/5/2022 9:56:00 PM

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What he just said was right on the money.

You have to spend much more time in the cockpit than a C2 or Ec135.

Flies kind of like a pis@#d off teenager.

Wait tell your on an appoarch in the clouds, ILS, and they ask you to break off and come back around for faster traffic.  If you don't do certain things just right,on the second appoatch the autopilot will turn with out warning and go back to the IAF.  Yah Fun.

VFR machine incase you go IFR C2e just fine.

Harcore IFR machine...no way, stay with the C2 or D2/3



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Msg ID: 2731547 EC145C2e +2/-0     
Author:Daily Flyer
6/6/2022 8:47:50 PM

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Pi$$ed off teenager is probably the best way to describe it I've ever heard.

If you don't do things perfectly, or exactly how it likes them to be done. Then you will end up making turns unexpectedly as the person above said. There are plenty of times it almost seems like it has a mind of it's own and starts doing things you don't expect. Restarting an approach for example. Or my favorite thing it does in the clouds is when you are in Heading flying vectors and then you get a "direct to." You hit the Direct button, then put it in Nav mode and it immediately will turn opposite the direction you expect. It will eventually catch itself, and roll back correctly, but yeeeeaaahhh.... Fun times.



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Msg ID: 2731617 EC145C2e +1/-1     
Author:UGH
6/7/2022 10:04:41 PM

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Good luck.



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