That pilot brings in, possibly taking into account some intangibles that can indirectly affect revenue.

Guaranteed to cause accidents. What an idiot 

Uptill now no company wanted to pay for previous HAA experience.

Base pay befor Geo-mods or sign on bonus etc should be...

75K for a newer guy to HAA. 95K+ for experience.

120K for a guy with 10+ years, no incidents and above the minimum time for IFR, NVG etc

When I started, I was told tales of 300' and 1/2 minimums along with additonal pay per flight.  Lot's of folks got hurt. The Vietnam guys would fly in pretty much anything.

2004-2006 was a pretty bad couple of years because of this same mentality.  

Agree w/dinosaur.  In the 80s & 90s, heli 135 certs were pretty much wild & loose.  ( including some mx )

And now the pendulum has swung the opposite way where medcrew think any cloud in the sky will get you killed.  If an airfield blue on ForeFlight it's a no-go despite the face that it might actually reading 10SM and 2800'.  "Green to go; otherwise no"  

Our competitors next door have call volumes averaging 60 a month wheras ours is 40 a month all because of medcrew "weather comfortability".  1500 and 5 is MORE than safe to fly (non-mountainous) yet even then it takes the pilots coaxing them to go.  Once they're up they realize it's completely fine, but their attitude doesn't change. 

Medcrew are briefed somewhere that helicopters go IIMC every week and are falling out of the sky (while doing an actual HAA flight) at about the same rate.  

Someone needs to do an education brief on safety stats over the past 5 years.  The year 2006 stupidity has passed. 

The idea of being paid by call volume is ridiculous and a very dangerous idea.  I'm just ranting on that topic for the sake of it (because it truly affects our profitability; hence, pay).   

$100k...and that isnt what it used to be.

are scared and mine are not.

So what mins are your medcrew are comfortable flying in?  I wouldn't say ours are "scared" but their "comfortability" says a lot:

I'm in non-mountainous as well (very flat area) and our base is basically 1500 and 3 day (more realistically 5NM as they freak out when they can't see things more than 10 miles away once we get in the air). 2000 and 5 night (again; they prefer 6).    

IF we have a crew that flies in slighty less than this they constantly talk the whole flight about the ceilings and visibility and "I see fog" or "I have low clouds out my side" (usually mist or a cloud that's many miles away) that it makes it so annoying that it's easier to just stick to the 1500/3 day 2000/5 night and not have to hear their whining...  it's ridiculous.

Tell you they are scared.

Airline pay for not ever flying a revenue flight.

I'll put up my revenue per seat/mile against yours anytime.

also take into account the intangibles. Definitely bro definitely 

$80K base salary with bare minimum experience, and minimum $100K for experienced ATP rated pilots.

And if you think that is major airline pay, you need to look at their payscales on AirlinePilotCentral.

That is Regional CA pay now at the better Regionals.

On top of this, way bettr 401K's, keep the geo mods for commuting to crapholes, and quality off duty housing, not these fricking dumps we have. Quality bases too, some are crap.

But none of this is happening while 2 Private Equity firms control the vast majority of HAA.

If you are under 40, or 50 depending on your situation, go fixed wing! I did for awhile, butI came back for short stint before I either retire or go back to a different type fixed wing operation.

If you are a young guy reading this, stay out of HAA. Gulf with PHI is a better option if you can stand South LA, and it's people. Fire Fighting/External Load, or international are the other good options. A few unicorn corporate gigs, but those are way more numerous in fixed wing.

You get more of what you reward. 

If you incentivize taking jobs at hard to fill bases and never incentivize generating revenue, you get the current situation.  Which includes an awful lot of bad weather calls driven by bad team dynamics. 

I won't kill myself and a crew for a few extra bucks and I kinda doubt you will either, shreiking and garment rending over safety nonwithstanding...

Just my 2 cents, fire away. 

bad team dynamics lol where do these people come up with this sh*t. You're paid to do a job so go do it. 

It's not enough you get paid to do a job: you deserve extra pay, just for doing it! I mean really, when you think about it, if they don't pay me extra, I'm going to make a "bad" weather call. This is due to "bad team dynamics". What are bad team dynamics you may ask!? I don't know but they make me make bad weather decisions (the kind where I turn down a flight I could do, of course, not the other kind). So throw me extra money to do the job you already pay me extra to do and bad team dynamics are a thing of the past! It is your fault after all: you paid me extra to come to this god forsaken place, now your going to pay me extra on top of it! Get it?

I'm not sure what there is to get...

Pay a bonus, like at Metro, for hours flown.

Otherwise there is zero incentive to do anything.  And many of them have near zero work ethic and wrap themselves in the safety flag when everyone with a braing can see what's going on.  And other aircraft, similarly equipped, fly in from far away and do the job of those bases, again, for nothing. 

I'm not advocating for getting rid of geo mod bonuses. 

 turn them all down but im sure some measly flight pay will get these guys out of bed. lol

Shut down. Fact. Sad fact for the guys who had the delusion to buy a house and establish a permanent home.

Whatever you want to call psychotic crewmembers is fine with me, bad team dynamics works for me.

Whatever you want to call shopping for bad weather in order to sleep all night and screw every base and patient in the area is fine with me too.  

When you do all of the above yet you regularly fly in sketchy weather to get back home but use completely different criteria to launch, please don't give me a hip pocket class in ADM.  

Just tie a little incentive to actually doing the job so that there is some differentiation between those who work on shift and those who obviously don't.  

bad team dynamics is code for psychotic coworkers! Good to know. I'm sure some flight pay will fix your little laundry list of problems. Differentiation. lol where do you pretend to work?

everybody knows flight pay is the remedy for psychotic coworkers! 

flight pay will keep pilots from pushing weather to get back to base. It's common sense. Flight pay solves everything! You get: differentiation! no more bad weather decisions! Psychotic coworkers now a thing of the past! Something about ADM! Gets guys out of bed that otherwise wouldn't consider it! I'm sure there's much more!

No one could ever divine that about you, based on your MBA aviation theories. You are a MBA, aren't you? With a minor in economics. A minor so small, it was a major minor to be sure.

on what kind of flying you want AND the lifestyle it affords, in all respects.

If you were at a PR, or another event, or even talking to family members... if they didn't know any different, what would THEY guess a HAA pilot would make?  I guarandamntee not 1 of them would say under 6 figures.  Pilot's have been underpaid for years.  If you make probably half of what those people think you would be making.. there's your sign