| Msg ID: 2728765 |
VRS? No, it’s called Settling with Power. Call it by +6/-1
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| Author:it’s proper term
5/8/2022 8:28:14 AM |
VRS phraseology started years ago describing a state concerning tail rotors. When did it switch to describing settling with power? I'm not sure, but I think that acronym really disassociates the true nature of the problem called 'settling with power', which is exactly what it is. And anyone who deliberately induces settling with power to the degree that results in an unrecoverable condition is a fool. Even AirBus agrees. To bad Bell didn't get the notice. |
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| Msg ID: 2728766 |
VRS? No, it’s called Settling with Power. Call it by +1/-5
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| Author:do you even
5/8/2022 8:53:07 AM Reply to: 2728765 |
fly helicopters. hoping not. |
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| Msg ID: 2728767 |
The question is: Do you? (NT) +0/-1
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| Author:Didn’t think so
5/8/2022 8:58:27 AM Reply to: 2728766 |
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| Msg ID: 2728769 |
The question is: Do you? +0/-2
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| Author:says the idiot that states
5/8/2022 9:11:27 AM Reply to: 2728767 |
Bell thinks you should crash since that's what an unrecoverable situation is. now go away. |
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| Msg ID: 2728775 |
You just don’t get it, do you pal? (NT) +0/-1
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| Author:Happy trails
5/8/2022 10:09:34 AM Reply to: 2728769 |
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| Msg ID: 2728790 |
You just don’t get it, do you pal? +0/-3
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| Author:No, I don’t
5/8/2022 1:13:49 PM Reply to: 2728775 |
this is the part where your supposed too explain to me what I said was wrong but you can't |
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| Msg ID: 2728780 |
VRS? No, it’s called Settling with Power. Call it by +12/-1
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| Author:Farmer
5/8/2022 10:36:15 AM Reply to: 2728765 |
Years ago, the FAA changed from saying "Settling With Power" in all of their publications to saying "Vortex Ring State" in most of their publications. The last time I looked, the FSIMS still listed recognition and recovery from "settling with power" as the maneuver to be checked. The US Army and the FAA terms conflicted, and it seems the FAA decided to adopt the Army version. I believe what the Army calls Power Settling is what we civilians called F***ing up and not having adequate power to arrest a descent, say in a high gross weight, high DA situation. |
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| Msg ID: 2728782 |
There you go. Excellent post (NT) +0/-1
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| Author:I’m a believer
5/8/2022 10:44:34 AM Reply to: 2728780 |
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| Msg ID: 2728786 |
VRS? No, it’s called Settling with Power. Call it by +4/-4
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| Author:No, They Are Not The Same
5/8/2022 11:14:23 AM Reply to: 2728780 |
SWP is very different than not using adequate power to arrest a descent. |
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| Msg ID: 2728787 |
VRS? No, it’s called Settling with Power. Call it by +3/-0
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| Author:Farmer
5/8/2022 11:40:46 AM Reply to: 2728786 |
I said "Power Settling" |
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| Msg ID: 2728791 |
VRS? No, it’s called Settling with Power. Call it by +0/-0
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| Author:It’s not VRS!
5/8/2022 1:29:40 PM Reply to: 2728786 |
They are the flat-earthers of the helicopter world. |
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| Msg ID: 2728793 |
VRS? No, it’s called Settling with Power. Call it by +0/-6
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| Author:you are settling with power
5/8/2022 2:03:14 PM Reply to: 2728765 |
it you don't have enough collective to stop the rate of descent. VRS is when you still have power available but the tip vortices make collective inputs not only futile but worsen the situation by increasing the size of the vortices and thus the rate of descent. they are two seperate events that anybody that know anything about helicopters, already knows. settling with power, if allowed to continue, will lead to VRS when operating below translational lift. the op tells you what he thinks settling with isn't, not what he thinks it is because he obviously doesn't know. the best line of his idiocy is that Bell wants you to train VRS to the point of crashing but airbus doesn't! lol that should tell you something. |
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| Msg ID: 2728808 |
That’s nonsense. (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Not enough collective, huh
5/8/2022 4:57:24 PM Reply to: 2728793 |
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| Msg ID: 2728814 |
That’s nonsense. +0/-1
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| Author:Yes
5/8/2022 6:05:45 PM Reply to: 2728808 |
It's a term pilots use when they have pulled all the collective the machine will allow and it doesn't stop the descent. Your turn. |
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| Msg ID: 2728836 |
You’re gonna crash, and it’s gonna (NT) +0/-1
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| Author:hurt.
5/8/2022 10:21:25 PM Reply to: 2728814 |
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| Msg ID: 2728794 |
VRS? No, it’s called Settling with Power. Call it by +0/-2
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| Author:perfect
5/8/2022 2:07:10 PM Reply to: 2728765 |
op links a video to a guy that has ZERO helicopter experience and it doesn't even back him up lol. perfect. |
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| Msg ID: 2728809 |
Can’t teach a dumb dog any tricks at all (NT) +0/-1
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| Author:Old dog
5/8/2022 4:58:24 PM Reply to: 2728794 |
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| Msg ID: 2728830 |
study the whole cause and effect ! +0/-0
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| Author:oldNtired
5/8/2022 9:49:45 PM Reply to: 2728809 |
Its much more that "tip vortices". |
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| Msg ID: 2728835 |
study the whole cause and effect ! +0/-0
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| Author:True but
5/8/2022 10:09:32 PM Reply to: 2728830 |
they don't call it VRS for nothing |
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| Msg ID: 2730587 |
VRS? No, it’s called Settling with Power. Call it by +0/-0
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| Author:jK
5/27/2022 6:41:06 PM Reply to: 2728765 |
It's called vortex ring state. Get a pilots license. |
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