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2727376 |
Announcing altitude? +3/-11
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Author:Curious George
4/23/2022 9:45:04 PM
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So I've heard a few helicopter guys recently announce their altitude as 1.7 (for 1,700) or 2.8 on the radio. In 20 years, I've NEVER heard of helicopter guys doing this.
Is this a new fad? A snowflake thing maybe? |
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Msg ID:
2727377 |
Announcing altitude? +2/-3
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Author:It’s Probably The Weird Guy Who
4/23/2022 10:05:38 PM
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Calls everyone else weird. |
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Msg ID:
2727378 |
Announcing altitude? +7/-4
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Author:Bloop
4/23/2022 10:16:17 PM
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Heard it before. Usually new pilots trying to sound too experienced to bother using the radio correctly, not realizing it just makes them sound like idiots. |
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Msg ID:
2727400 |
Announcing altitude? +0/-0
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Author:I’ve never heard that
4/24/2022 12:56:32 AM
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it must be what you rangers are doing now to sound cool. |
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Msg ID:
2727406 |
Announcing altitude? +2/-1
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Author:Geezerish
4/24/2022 3:09:49 AM
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Likely the same types that announce ‘Last call’ as they leave the proximity of a Unicom airport.
Seems very popular around Cedar City Utah. |
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Msg ID:
2727407 |
Announcing altitude? +2/-0
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Author:yup
4/24/2022 6:28:43 AM
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descending down, any traffic please advise, XYZ "area" traffic, "and" tower, "c-ya!"
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Msg ID:
2727408 |
Announcing altitude? +1/-7
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Author:It's called brevity
4/24/2022 7:08:53 AM
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Been doing it for decades with local atc. While not standard, it's quite common where you talk to the same people all the time.
Much like saying the last two digits of a frequency, example "tower-point-seven"
Class B airspace, not a habit. |
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Msg ID:
2727409 |
Announcing altitude? +13/-1
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Author:uh no
4/24/2022 7:19:54 AM
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it's not common, it's unprofessional and you should stop doing it. |
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Msg ID:
2727413 |
Announcing altitude? +1/-0
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Author:cheap
4/24/2022 9:16:25 AM
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Cameron traffic, Petroleum 95W,first call,10 south inbound for PHI, altitude 1 point 5. |
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Msg ID:
2727414 |
Only thing in cockpit related to decimals +5/-1
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Author:An Army Guy
4/24/2022 9:18:07 AM
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The only displayed item in a cockpit that would be shared with the world about your position that even remotely has a decimal would be your position (GPS shows you're 9.5 from the airport).
Even then, that would be overkill as nobody cares what decimal point in miles is. ATC or anyone else might want to know bearing, desired track, altitude, airspeed, etc. and NONE of them are given to you in the cockpit with decimals so don't start adding them.
As previously posted, it just makes you sound like an idiot. We need a millenial to please make a meme and post online to educate your kind. We also need a gen z'er to please make a TikTok about it and post online to educate your kind as well. We need to get the word out. lol |
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Msg ID:
2727462 |
Only thing in cockpit related to decimals +0/-1
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Author:don't think a hat is a
4/24/2022 5:39:01 PM
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trophy...it's more like that "hands up don't shot" T-shirt that you wear. |
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Msg ID:
2727442 |
Announcing altitude? +0/-0
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Author:Robert E Ranger
4/24/2022 3:26:37 PM
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The same "and " guys.
"Anddddd XYZ Tower, Helicopter 1234, about 10 south at 1.5 with numbers for chopper ramp! |
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Msg ID:
2727482 |
Announcing altitude? +0/-0
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Author:Common
4/24/2022 10:16:34 PM
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Heard it all day every day doing tours around vegas and the west end of the canyon years ago. Still gear it around Phoenix fairly often. |
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Msg ID:
2727495 |
Announcing altitude? +0/-0
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Author:cheap
4/25/2022 9:21:08 AM
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I gave up helicopters for jets 13 years ago but don't most helicopters have TCAS now? |
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Msg ID:
2727522 |
Announcing altitude? +0/-0
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Author:Not TCAS
4/25/2022 2:01:13 PM
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likely TAS, if anything |
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Msg ID:
2727501 |
These are all non-issues +5/-4
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Author:Mic Drop
4/25/2022 9:44:00 AM
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Why do some of you guys get so wrapped around the axle about this issue? If you hear a HELICOPTER report that he is at "1.5", does it confuse you so much because you not understand what he means? Do you REALLY care if a pilot starts his transmission with the word, "And..." or says, "With you," to ATC? Does it really bug the crap out of you when a pilot says, "Any traffic please advise?"
And if so, why?
The most important thing is that we communicate clearly. We're not flying around with no headsets, hand mics and sketchy, scratchy "cofffee-grinder" radios. They're as clear as cell phones nowadays.
Don't you guys have anything better to get angry about? |
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Msg ID:
2727524 |
These are all non-issues +1/-0
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Author:you said it yourself
4/25/2022 3:19:14 PM
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When proper radio technique and phrases are not used, effective communication does'nt always happen. I have heard a tower controller tell everyone "stay off the radio unless I call you". These pilots added too many extra words, improper technique, etc. The contoller was annoyed to say the least. This was Anoka Mn tower the most layed back easy going tower I know. It would be laughable if it was'nt so pathetic. This is only one example. I could give you more, so it does matter! Mike drop |
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Msg ID:
2727529 |
These are all non-issues (NT) +0/-0
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Author:I call BS
4/25/2022 4:27:46 PM
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Msg ID:
2727538 |
They just wanna sound cool +0/-0
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Author:Ripley
4/25/2022 5:41:55 PM
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IN the Pipe 5 by 5.... |
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Msg ID:
2727540 |
Time and place, man, time and place +1/-1
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Author:Mic Drop
4/25/2022 5:58:41 PM
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When proper radio technique and phrases are not used, effective communication does'nt always happen. I have heard a tower controller tell everyone "stay off the radio unless I call you". These pilots added too many extra words, improper technique, etc. The contoller was annoyed to say the least. This was Anoka Mn tower the most layed back easy going tower I know. It would be laughable if it was'nt so pathetic. This is only one example. I could give you more, so it does matter! Mike drop,
You're right. (How many times have you head *THAT* on this forum?) At a very busy aiports, sure, brevity and clear, concise communication is all-important. But the need for that is situational; you have to know when and where infomality is okay. We can't all be robots - we're humans flying these things and manning the ATC facilities. Then again, Local contollers can always limit the number of aircraft they choose to handle, so if a controller gets overloaded, it's his/her own fault. Many, many years ago, I was flying a traffic copter in NYC. It was early in the morning, and the dedicated TCA freq was silent except for me and one other traffic ship. We both ended up over the same place, and as we passed each other I keyed up and said, "Morning, Lou." The "morning'd" me back. That was it: "Morning, Lou." "Morning, Bob." The controller came on and read us a riot act, saying that if we couldn't act professionally on the radio he'd throw us out of the TCA (predecessor to Class B) airspace. My friend and I were, like, WT-actual-F?!
Another story: Flying SIC in a King Air, inbound to an uncontolled field one moning, we were listening up on 122.8 but at our altitude, the freq was one big cacaphonous jumble of radios transmitting over each other. We were approaching at 3 miles/minute. When ATC finally cut us loose, we were less than ten miles out. Even slowing down, we'd be in the pattern shortly. And so I announced our position/intentions and asked, "Any traffic, please advise." People don't like it? Tough, sue me. At any uncontrolled field, if there's only one plane in the pattern, he might not even be talking on the radio, and might not respond to your, "10 miles south, inbound for landing" call. And no, business jets and King Airs and such do not slow to 100 kts prior to entering the traffic pattern at small GA airports.
So there's a time and a place for everything. Like I said, we're not robots. |
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Msg ID:
2727545 |
Time and place, man, time and place +2/-1
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Author:At 7 Miles Per Minute, I Use The
4/25/2022 7:01:55 PM
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Number 2 radio to call out distance from 100 miles out, every 10 miles. You should probably start calling out your position starting at 50 miles out. By the time ATC turns you over to advisory, no one on that frequency will be surprised you are there. |
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