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Msg ID: 2724093 CG Effect on Range / Airspeed +0/-2     
Author: Econ Eddie
3/24/2022 10:43:35 PM

In airplanes, loading to most rearward CG increases range.

So: Does CG location in a conventional helicopter design (main rotor / tail rotor configuration) have an effect on fuel economy / range / airspeed? If so, what gives max range: most forward CG, mid-range CG, or most rearward CG? State your reasoning or cite your reference please. 

Thanks. 



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Msg ID: 2724095 CG Effect on Range / Airspeed +3/-2     
Author:Stability Concerns Around Design
3/25/2022 12:27:45 AM

Reply to: 2724093

And engineering of fixed wing aircraft in the longitudinal axis, favor a downforce supplied by the elevator. That downforce, if removed(or lessened as in slow flight or MCA), allows the nose to pitch down during stall. In a rotor wing aircraft, downforce on an elevator keeps the longitudinal axis of the airframe from paralleling the main rotor. It is more for minimizing drag.



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Msg ID: 2724111 CG Effect on Range / Airspeed +1/-3     
Author:That’s a nice answer
3/25/2022 7:03:24 AM

Reply to: 2724095

It may even contain some true information but it doesn't even come close to answering the question.



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Msg ID: 2724178 CG Effect on Range / Airspeed +0/-0     
Author:Thanks For Criticizing (Incorrectly)
3/25/2022 3:13:25 PM

Reply to: 2724111

While not coming close to answering the question.



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Msg ID: 2724194 CG Effect on Range / Airspeed +0/-0     
Author:say wut
3/25/2022 4:43:17 PM

Reply to: 2724178

q: what's the best cg for range?

a: the thing in the back pushes the nose up...the longitudinal axis... parelling the helicopter... minimize drag

me: okay lol thanks got it

 



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Msg ID: 2724221 CG Effect on Range / Airspeed +0/-0     
Author:CG Doesn’t Tell The Whole Story
3/25/2022 6:50:02 PM

Reply to: 2724194

CP has just as much or more to do with optimum range. Max range in a helicopter comes from the longitudinal axis being most in line with relative wind to minimize drag.



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Msg ID: 2724303 CG Effect on Range / Airspeed +1/-0     
Author:Flat
3/26/2022 4:42:20 PM

Reply to: 2724095

plate drag is the operative term to express what is being minimized by the action of the horizontal elevator to optimize forward movement, aka airspeed.



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Msg ID: 2724419 CG Effect on Range / Airspeed +1/-0     
Author:Some one
3/27/2022 7:36:16 PM

Reply to: 2724303

knows what they're talking about.



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Msg ID: 2724495 OK, so relate this to Aircraft CG +0/-0     
Author:Econ Eddie
3/28/2022 11:05:02 PM

Reply to: 2724303

So if we want to minimize Plate Drag then will loading the aircraft to a forward CG, and aft CG, or a middle CG do this minimization, thus saving fuel, which is the goal--? And, what is the reason this is so? Thanks.



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Msg ID: 2724497 OK, so relate this to Aircraft CG +0/-1     
Author:It’s irrelevant
3/28/2022 11:24:26 PM

Reply to: 2724495

you aren't going to seat people in a helicopter differently just to try to save a couple drops of fuel. Most trips are so short, any savings would be insignificant. It's just not the place to look to save fuel. You load the helicopter to stay within cg limits. Very few variables beyond that. End of story.



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Msg ID: 2724548 What You Mean Is +0/-0     
Author:Econ Eddie
3/29/2022 2:40:28 PM

Reply to: 2724497

that you don't know or don't care. I do and I want an answer. The question still stands. 



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Msg ID: 2724586 What You Mean Is +0/-0     
Author:It’s a stupid question
3/29/2022 11:49:23 PM

Reply to: 2724548

with no practical application. A complete waste of energy. Ask until youre blue in the face. It's about the same a arranging passengers in a car for better gas mileage.



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Msg ID: 2724587 Until you  +0/-0     
Author:Econ Eddie
3/29/2022 11:55:04 PM

Reply to: 2724586

can cite data and references, all you are saying is you don't know, or at best your opinion. I want facts backed up by references anr flight test data. The question stands. 



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Msg ID: 2724588 Until you  +0/-0     
Author:There will not be any data
3/30/2022 12:20:09 AM

Reply to: 2724587

there will be no references because its something that has no practical application. Nobody has studied this and nobody is going to study this. You need to accept that. Go ask on pprune. Those guys love to get wrapped around the axle with stupid sh*t but I doubt anybody would even bother.



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Msg ID: 2724984 What You Mean Is +0/-0     
Author:As I said
4/3/2022 11:57:46 AM

Reply to: 2724586

you got no answers on prune because it's a stupid question. those people just want to hear themselves talk anyway.



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Msg ID: 2724200 CG Effect on Range / Airspeed +0/-1     
Author:olderendirt
3/25/2022 5:06:20 PM

Reply to: 2724093
cg at aft linit does sme thhing for helicopters.


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Msg ID: 2724485 CG Effect on Range / Airspeed +1/-0     
Author:Yeah
3/28/2022 8:26:24 PM

Reply to: 2724200

ur on the edge of running out of cyclic control.  If you've never been there trust you don't want to!  Flew for an operator who reconfigured a BH47 and forgot to replace the aft ballast on reconfiguration thus some subsequent pilots ran out of aft cyclic occasionally.  DO said everyone was full of it, until on a demo flight displaying the merits of the BH47 vs the H300C he crashed on landing with the 'clients' on board.

Thus another adventure of the most inept DO in the historic annals (anals?) of east coast helicopter operator epics.



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Msg ID: 2724201 CG Effect on Range / Airspeed +3/-0     
Author:answer
3/25/2022 5:08:29 PM

Reply to: 2724093

I always put everyone in the baggage compartment. it doesn't do anything for range but makes for a peaceful ride.



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