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Msg ID: 2723071 NVG questions +1/-3     
Author:Study Man
3/13/2022 3:09:03 PM

CRASH FFF SAR is one-

GRAM... I can't remember the rest.

Any other cool acronyms for NVG stuff.



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Msg ID: 2723073 NVG questions +5/-1     
Author:been using NVGs for 5 years
3/13/2022 3:11:02 PM

Reply to: 2723071

never heard of any of them



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Msg ID: 2723074 NVG questions +1/-2     
Author:Study man
3/13/2022 3:13:44 PM

Reply to: 2723073

C-confusion ground lights

R-elative motion

A-ltered planes of reference

NVG illusions- just some ways of remembering for a check ride



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Msg ID: 2723079 NVG questions +2/-3     
Author:Flown NVGs for 42 Years
3/13/2022 3:33:00 PM

Reply to: 2723073

I use FLASH often to keep me from going IIMC, it works.

Fog

Loss of light

Ambiert light reduced

Shadows on ground

Halos around lights

 



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Msg ID: 2723082 NVG questions +1/-1     
Author:Study Man
3/13/2022 3:40:05 PM

Reply to: 2723079

Thank you, I will add this to student study guide.

Things like this help all of us. Your 42 years shows in your professionalism, Thank you



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Msg ID: 2723089 Army overkill +4/-2     
Author:An Army Guy
3/13/2022 4:34:58 PM

Reply to: 2723071

Taught NVGs to IERW students.  Trust me; most of it is overkill.  Don't need to know 3/4 of the material to operate VERY safely with NVGs.

Here's a fun list since you're asking...

Distance Estimation and Depth Perception: BM-GRAM

Under G is LAV, R is KITO, A is FLL

Night use of lights is FLAPII

NVG Operational Characteristics: DIAL VP

NVG Operational Considerations: CALMWWADSOS

Under L is PET, W is FLASH (as previously posted), D is DATE

And there are PLENTY more... yada yada yada.

Just fly slow and make even more conservative wx decisions and you'll be fine.

 



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Msg ID: 2723090 Army overkill +1/-1     
Author:An Army Guy
3/13/2022 4:37:06 PM

Reply to: 2723089

Also, it's FFF CRASH CARS (or CSAR depending on how you like your mnemonic)

One C is Confusion with Ground Lights

The other C is Crater Illusion (when landing in an almost perfectly flat snow or desert landing area with no other items to contrast)



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Msg ID: 2723093 NVG +3/-3     
Author:Seagull
3/13/2022 4:54:37 PM

Reply to: 2723090

I am a utility pilot in a state agency and they are talking NVG's and

I am terrified! DARK AIR HAS NO LIFT! I fight fire sun up to sun down.



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Msg ID: 2723105 NVG +2/-2     
Author:Flight school nerd
3/13/2022 7:11:51 PM

Reply to: 2723093
I've been using NVGs for years and couldn't tell you anything about em. You turn them on and its not as dark...not much to it.


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Msg ID: 2723106 NVG +1/-2     
Author:I Have Been Using The Company
3/13/2022 7:20:07 PM

Reply to: 2723105

Airplane and flying it for years and couldn't tell you anything about it. You take off and it flies...not much to it.



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Msg ID: 2723108 NVG +4/-2     
Author:Not
3/13/2022 7:54:29 PM

Reply to: 2723093

kidding.

NVGs are just another tool that is very worthwhile and easy to use.  I kept mine adjusted all the way out from my glasses (Yeup, no problem) so I could easily look under them to the panel or outside with a very slight head tilt.  Don't need them?  Flip them up.  

The formal school is worthwhile.  Don't try to remember all the wizardry.  Just go through it so you'll know where to find answers later on.

Be conservative and enjoy.  You will learn to like them.



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Msg ID: 2723116 NVG +2/-4     
Author:NVG instructor
3/13/2022 8:35:42 PM

Reply to: 2723108

If you have your NVGs "all the way out" you have reduced your field of view to about 20 degrees. The NVGs should be sdjusted to about 25mm from your eyes (which will accommodate glasses) for the widest FOV.



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Msg ID: 2723531 NVG +0/-0     
Author:Yes, I
3/18/2022 10:40:03 PM

Reply to: 2723116

agree but in practice with slight head movement I was happy.  Never needed to get ultra serious about the FOV.

One of our pilots had them cranked all the way (no glasses) in and the panel lights effectively OFF.  Something about National Guard and Blackhawks and deployments and Afghanistan and whatever else.  Didn't pay too much attention, neither did anyone else.  In my day we flew the INFANT.  Terrible forward CG.

Bottom line NVGs are a very worthwhile tool.  Glad I got to use them.



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Msg ID: 2723281 Yeah and You Know What's Funny +0/-1     
Author:Anonymous
3/15/2022 1:07:51 PM

Reply to: 2723093

What's funny is I gots thousands hours night time and NVG and Turbine Twin and all that there and I can't get a job interview for a ute operation because: no long line. Oh Well. Ute pilots are like Lear Captains, they are not made, they just come into existence somehow. Probably by divine miraculous Word of Creation. 



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Msg ID: 2723532 Yeah and You Know What's Funny +0/-0     
Author:Good
3/18/2022 10:42:14 PM

Reply to: 2723281

luck if that's what you want to do.  Welcome to civilian work.



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Msg ID: 2723117 Army overkill +0/-2     
Author:RTAGer
3/13/2022 8:46:41 PM

Reply to: 2723090

Not the correct acronym anymore.  They Army, in its infinite wisdom, changed it.  Probably some clever RLO making a change for an OER bullet.  

what used to be relative motion is now Vection... smh



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Msg ID: 2723189 NVG questions +2/-1     
Author::-)
3/14/2022 7:14:13 PM

Reply to: 2723071
I was a Night Systems Instructor in uncle sams misguided children. Anyone who's done the MAWTS course knows how wayyyyy overboard we mil guys can be as far as useless knowledge. Anyways, in my humble opinion, which is just that, just an opinion, you need to know the indications of an impending IIMC event. You need to know what an objective lens does and what a diopter lens does. You need a very basic understanding of how an I2 tube works. And most importantly, you should develop a mindset of thinking of the NVGs the same way you'd think of one of your other flight instruments. They don't turn night onto day, and they're not a substitute that give you Day VFR capability. There has to be SOME source of illuminance out there for them to work. Beware of shadows. They are just another instrument in your toolbox to make things a little more safe and a little more efficient. I found with the guys and gals I trained, as a rule of thumb, they needed about 50 hours on the goggles before they got past the gee-whiz factor and really got a good feel for flying on NVGs. Again, that's just my opinion and experience.


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