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Msg ID: 2721083 Two helicopters crash together UT  +0/-0     
Author:Huh
2/22/2022 2:21:45 PM

2 Black Hawk helicopters involved in training accident in Utah: National Guard

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-hawk-helicopter-reportedly-crashes-in-utah

 

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Msg ID: 2721106 Two helicopters crash together UT  +0/-0     
Author:White
2/22/2022 4:31:59 PM

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https://mobile.twitter.com/ozskier/status/1496229623906336768?s=21



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Msg ID: 2721110 That’s a shame (NT) +0/-1     
Author:Thebeatgoeson
2/22/2022 4:40:54 PM

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Msg ID: 2721115 Two helicopters crash together UT  +2/-1     
Author:retired
2/22/2022 5:01:09 PM

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Whiteout ...?    Does Utah have penetration wheel skis ?  Coming in one at a time would've allowed them to park closer together and reduce the rush to land.... Could've, should've, would've. 

http://www.airglas.com/Military/Products/tabid/1026/ctl/ProductDetails/mid/3055/ProductId/44/Default.aspx

FEB the entire State and Utah is restricted to the traffic pattern for the remainder of career. 

 



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Msg ID: 2721119 Two helicopters crash together UT  +0/-0     
Author:retired
2/22/2022 5:30:12 PM

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1496222345194876928

 Video cred: Tom Carney



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Msg ID: 2721161 Two helicopters crash together UT  +5/-1     
Author:Bad
2/23/2022 5:41:08 AM

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Literally one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Good help is hard to find !



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Msg ID: 2721174 Not Dumb, just inexperience with whiteout or brownout +3/-1     
Author:Razamataz
2/23/2022 7:59:48 AM

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Should have picked a spot and made a precision landing to the ground, instead of coming to a hover and landing by braile.



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Msg ID: 2721286 Not Dumb, just inexperience with whiteout or brownout +1/-1     
Author:Yep stay head of the snow/dust cloud
2/23/2022 8:03:38 PM

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and shoot approach to the ground. That was painful to watch.



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Msg ID: 2721181 Two helicopters crash together UT  +1/-0     
Author:Nodoginfite
2/23/2022 8:42:13 AM

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Agreed, and to be that close to skiers where they could have been injured by debris.  Some very poor decision making on this one by a few



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Msg ID: 2721359 Two helicopters crash together UT  +1/-1     
Author:Looked
2/24/2022 11:09:06 AM

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like lead became disoriented, whacked that tree and sent part of a blade flying towards trail.  Gonna be interesting.

Was not impressed but guess they felt such operations are doable.  Never was in my day.



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Msg ID: 2721426 Two helicopters crash together UT  +0/-1     
Author:Looked
2/24/2022 8:33:42 PM

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more like the trail lost it in whiteout conditions as he disappeared into a cloud of snow from the lead's rotorwash and one of his blades hit the lead causing a spin but upright landing near a tree.



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Msg ID: 2721202 Two helicopters crash together UT  +0/-1     
Author:No one hurt
2/23/2022 9:52:22 AM

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Call it a success, promote everyone involved. 



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Msg ID: 2721216 Two helicopters crash together UT  +3/-1     
Author:Bummer
2/23/2022 11:03:08 AM

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Luckily no major loss of life to crew or the public. Just a costly ugly training day.

The mission probably started down the rabbit hole with "hey let's go land up at the ski resort and show 'em our stuff". Problem is history repeats itself sometimes.  Large system lack of good training, currency, and recency of doing it, lack of experience. 

Maintain your reference to earth. Maintain you reference to earth. Maintain you reference to earth. Not a typo it's that important.

In Alaska heli skiing, there were days we would land over 30+ landings a day in dry deep snow. Fortunately for me I was handed down some training nuggets that made it happen without incident/accident. 

-Recon, don't just approach and land

-Low in ground effect slow fly over LZ (depart before being engulfed in powder) checking snow conditions

-Toss out a railroad spike with at least 7 feet of high vis surveyor ribbon holding end and letting bolt unspool

-Toss out an open gallon ziplock bag of red cool aide to dye speckle the snow add contrast spots

-Ask newbie to toss their pack so you can land at it and laugh when you can't find it cause the snow is too deep

-Commit to no hover landing as powder catches up from behind with ribbon in chin bubble or floor side window 

-Lost sight of ribbon PRIOR to commit to land ABORT go vertical. (don't attempt any of this at max gross wt)

-Lost sight of ribbon AFTER you commit to land LAND (usually takeoff at this point will get you a crash)

If none of the silliness above works, you might have to dig down deep in your tummy, check your hero pilot ego at the door and say "No I'm not landing here let's go get some coffee and a doughnuts"

I prefer apple fritters and maple bars, yum.



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Msg ID: 2721284 Two helicopters crash together UT (NT) +0/-1     
Author:Promote above peers
2/23/2022 8:02:29 PM

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Msg ID: 2721246 Two helicopters crash together UT  +1/-1     
Author:JB
2/23/2022 2:28:21 PM

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I am retired ARNG and all I have to say is:  Dumb!



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