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Msg ID: 2720512 Looking to jump to jets +1/-3     
Author:stuck wing
2/15/2022 2:43:43 PM
Is there a current list of programs for rotor to airlines, that shows what they cover and pay? It has to be better than AMC at 69-73, metro who knows, AEL...lol Thanks


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Msg ID: 2720526 Looking to jump to jets +12/-1     
Author:An Army Guy
2/15/2022 6:16:15 PM

Reply to: 2720512

Really, you have to use GI Bill (former military), personal funds, loans, or scholarships to cover your training for the most part knowing if you choose a good path you'll be making twice what you would in the majority of the helicopter world.  

The RTAG (Rotor To Airline Group) FB site has people constantly posting links to help you in your journey.  Great resourse to ask questions and get linked up. 

Their charity site has a page that describes some ideas (not perfect, but helpful):

https://www.rtag.org/about/news-updates/vets-can-become-airline-pilots-for-free?fbclid=IwAR05nTWRYLQVWvY7fr0WiGSwukIwVQUki8NGNDcLSWu4hOgCDaB7RdiaHUw

There are plenty of naysayers who will tell you that you can find helicopter jobs that start or get you to over $100K in little/no time but they're either in the gulf or you happen to know someone (fire, utility, VIP, etc.), so if you're under age 50 my hat's off to you to consider persuing this.  It's definitely worth it.

You can piece through what various bonuses you'll get depending on the airline/operator to be used towards paying back fight training at this site: https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines  (also check out their forums for links to help you on your path).

The key thing is getting your ratings.  Some small Part 135 operators will take you with just a commercial airplane with multi and you can make over $100K in no time.  That can help you jump to the airlines.  Airlines are hurting so bad now that their mins are dropping consistently depending on how much and how good your helicopter experience is. 

To be clear: NOBODY says "I wish I had less money", "I wish I'd have waited a few more years to retire", or "I wish I'd have stayed in the helicopter world".  Make the jump!



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Msg ID: 2720528 Looking to jump to jets +0/-1     
Author:olderendirt
2/15/2022 6:25:39 PM

Reply to: 2720526

"There are plenty of naysayers who will tell you that you can find helicopter jobs that start or get you to over $100K in little/no time but they're either in the gulf or you happen to know someone (fire, utility, VIP, etc.), so if you're under age 50 my hat's off to you to consider persuing this.  It's definitely worth it."

Knew a couple of those executive flight departments guys who were very happy to be on a fixed schedule instead of being expected to 'show face' on their 'off days'. "Critters" were much better passengers than ambitious, driven executives with power in the company. 



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Msg ID: 2720556 Looking to jump to jets +2/-0     
Author:Class A airspace
2/16/2022 6:50:44 AM

Reply to: 2720512

Currently Go jet and Skywest offer the RTP program. You can always go your own route and self fund it/ loans whatever you wish and get your 250 airplane and that new certificate. As stated RTAG page is a wealth of gouge and knowledge to help guide you along the path. The longer you wait is a day wasted, seniority is everything. Don't listen to the naysayers about leaving helicopters. They are just jealous! 



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Msg ID: 2720563 Looking to jump to jets +0/-1     
Author:also depends how much LOSS of
2/16/2022 9:54:03 AM

Reply to: 2720556

$$$$ you want to endure....I went thru that program and was shocked at the low pay I got compared to RW...people say 2-3 yrs to get to the big boys, but it is more like 8-10yrs...maybe less now with the shortage...anyway, Pay was garbage....

 



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Msg ID: 2720576 1-3 years to LLC or Majors +5/-0     
Author:Airplane Andrew
2/16/2022 1:05:47 PM

Reply to: 2720563

Before Covid, I have friends who did the "American Flow" via PSA/Piedmont jumped to Frontier and Spirit in 2 years instead of just waiting for the advertised 5 year flow to American.  

Post Covid (or whatever you want to call it now), I'll bet you'll see the jump from the regionals at 1 year.  They can't keep what they're training at the regionals now. 

Southwest is hiring 1,372 pilots THIS YEAR ALONE and projects hiring even more than that next year.  See 8:00 mark in this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cFKT9qlsik

Part 135 carriers say they don't have any stacks of resumes anymore because the airlines are sucking everyone up.  

The old stories you hear of guys who did the jump years ago are not the stories that we're starting to hear over the past 2-3 years.  There are better deals and still as good a schedules as HAA/Gulf provide in the FW world.  

Imagine still working a 7/7, but the travel to the job is paid (as part of the 7/7; NOT the day prior and after on your time off), all meals covered the entire week, keep airline/hotel/rental miles, plus per diem, plus catered meals and you keep the meal allowance.  It's like an amped up national pool pilot job... but no crappy location all week, no medcrew dictactiing how you fly, you travel on the company's days not your own, in an almost new twin-engine bird, with another pilot for safety.

Don't believe me?  Check out NetJets, FlexJets, etc.  I've talked to these guys when they've passed my way and it's legit:

https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/fractional/flexjet

 



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Msg ID: 2720739 1-3 years to LLC or Majors +0/-0     
Author:Ur
2/18/2022 4:22:23 PM

Reply to: 2720576

correct.  Pretty simple.



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Msg ID: 2721371 Looking to jump to jets +0/-0     
Author:Former Airline FO
2/24/2022 12:39:19 PM

Reply to: 2720563

2 years from Regional to a major now, unless you wait for flow at American. United probably 3 years right now to flow.

Most jump to JetBlue, or Spirit in 2, even Atlas.



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Msg ID: 2720578 This just in: When enough CEO's bark, regulations could change +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
2/16/2022 1:35:57 PM

Reply to: 2720512

Could minimums required be lowered to go airlines?  Enough CEOs are barking and "thinking creatively"... money talks in our country:

https://airlineweekly.com/2022/02/mesa-airlines-ceo-blames-regulators-for-pilot-shortage/

 



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Msg ID: 2720613 This just in: When enough CEO's bark, regulations could change +0/-0     
Author:cheap
2/16/2022 10:57:03 PM

Reply to: 2720578

Southwest wants to hire 8000 pilots.United is looking to hire more transgenders,blacks,forigners,whatever is diverse.Just read their ads.I would check the box that says "other" on race and you can skip the communters.



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Msg ID: 2720615 This just in: When enough CEO's bark, regulations could change +0/-0     
Author:Anyone
2/16/2022 11:17:32 PM

Reply to: 2720613

Can be tranny nowadays, right. What about male lesbian? Do they accept that minority?



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Msg ID: 2720616 This just in: When enough CEO's bark, regulations could change +1/-0     
Author:cheap
2/17/2022 12:55:35 AM

Reply to: 2720615

I believe they accept anybody who is not a white heterosexual male.



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Msg ID: 2720765 Looking to jump to jets +1/-0     
Author:Just
2/18/2022 9:28:14 PM

Reply to: 2720512

remember thrust levers forward, go fast, other direction, go slow.  Jets are reeeeaaaalllly tough.



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Msg ID: 2720777 Looking to jump to jets +4/-0     
Author:Says
2/18/2022 11:28:47 PM

Reply to: 2720765

The guy with no turbojet time. Fans and modern fuel controls, including eecs, decs, and Fadecs have made slow spool times an ancient memory. The biggest hump for helo guys to get over now is how much faster things happen compared to the 90 knot Hubert. 9-10 mpm, and you are cutting down radials and dme's faster than you can put a lead correction into. Even that is slipping away as a cherished jet skill. Modern fms, if programmed properly calculates that for you. Staying ahead of the aircraft separates those who are barely hanging on to the tail quickly. Once you are that far behind the aircraft, you better not be single pilot, because you will never catch up.



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Msg ID: 2720805 Looking to jump to jets +1/-1     
Author:Class A airspace
2/19/2022 12:45:38 PM

Reply to: 2720777

facts!!! Most of these that say flying jets is easy would be so far behind the jet on an arrival Into DFW.  wonder how many of these self proclaimed "aces" have flown an overhead traffic pattern doing 200 knots plus in the down wind ? 

I have been fortunate to fly rotary and fixed wing in the military. Went rotary first then fixed. By far the most fun flying was spent wearing a G suit. 



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Msg ID: 2722059 Looking to jump to jets +0/-0     
Author:Well
3/2/2022 6:16:33 AM

Reply to: 2720777

stated.

The same tail wagging mental conundrum exists in helicopter SPIFR in high density areas without covering so much terrain.  Best not be tired when doing this!  Guaranteed.



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