Msg ID:
2720512 |
Looking to jump to jets +1/-3
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Author:stuck wing
2/15/2022 2:43:43 PM
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Is there a current list of programs for rotor to airlines, that shows what they cover and pay?
It has to be better than AMC at 69-73, metro who knows, AEL...lol
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Msg ID:
2720526 |
Looking to jump to jets +12/-1
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Author:An Army Guy
2/15/2022 6:16:15 PM
Reply to: 2720512
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Really, you have to use GI Bill (former military), personal funds, loans, or scholarships to cover your training for the most part knowing if you choose a good path you'll be making twice what you would in the majority of the helicopter world.
The RTAG (Rotor To Airline Group) FB site has people constantly posting links to help you in your journey. Great resourse to ask questions and get linked up.
Their charity site has a page that describes some ideas (not perfect, but helpful):
https://www.rtag.org/about/news-updates/vets-can-become-airline-pilots-for-free?fbclid=IwAR05nTWRYLQVWvY7fr0WiGSwukIwVQUki8NGNDcLSWu4hOgCDaB7RdiaHUw
There are plenty of naysayers who will tell you that you can find helicopter jobs that start or get you to over $100K in little/no time but they're either in the gulf or you happen to know someone (fire, utility, VIP, etc.), so if you're under age 50 my hat's off to you to consider persuing this. It's definitely worth it.
You can piece through what various bonuses you'll get depending on the airline/operator to be used towards paying back fight training at this site: https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines (also check out their forums for links to help you on your path).
The key thing is getting your ratings. Some small Part 135 operators will take you with just a commercial airplane with multi and you can make over $100K in no time. That can help you jump to the airlines. Airlines are hurting so bad now that their mins are dropping consistently depending on how much and how good your helicopter experience is.
To be clear: NOBODY says "I wish I had less money", "I wish I'd have waited a few more years to retire", or "I wish I'd have stayed in the helicopter world". Make the jump! |
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Msg ID:
2720528 |
Looking to jump to jets +0/-1
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Author:olderendirt
2/15/2022 6:25:39 PM
Reply to: 2720526
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"There are plenty of naysayers who will tell you that you can find helicopter jobs that start or get you to over $100K in little/no time but they're either in the gulf or you happen to know someone (fire, utility, VIP, etc.), so if you're under age 50 my hat's off to you to consider persuing this. It's definitely worth it."
Knew a couple of those executive flight departments guys who were very happy to be on a fixed schedule instead of being expected to 'show face' on their 'off days'. "Critters" were much better passengers than ambitious, driven executives with power in the company.
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Msg ID:
2720556 |
Looking to jump to jets +2/-0
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Author:Class A airspace
2/16/2022 6:50:44 AM
Reply to: 2720512
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Currently Go jet and Skywest offer the RTP program. You can always go your own route and self fund it/ loans whatever you wish and get your 250 airplane and that new certificate. As stated RTAG page is a wealth of gouge and knowledge to help guide you along the path. The longer you wait is a day wasted, seniority is everything. Don't listen to the naysayers about leaving helicopters. They are just jealous! |
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Msg ID:
2720563 |
Looking to jump to jets +0/-1
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Author:also depends how much LOSS of
2/16/2022 9:54:03 AM
Reply to: 2720556
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$$$$ you want to endure....I went thru that program and was shocked at the low pay I got compared to RW...people say 2-3 yrs to get to the big boys, but it is more like 8-10yrs...maybe less now with the shortage...anyway, Pay was garbage....
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Msg ID:
2720576 |
1-3 years to LLC or Majors +5/-0
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Author:Airplane Andrew
2/16/2022 1:05:47 PM
Reply to: 2720563
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Before Covid, I have friends who did the "American Flow" via PSA/Piedmont jumped to Frontier and Spirit in 2 years instead of just waiting for the advertised 5 year flow to American.
Post Covid (or whatever you want to call it now), I'll bet you'll see the jump from the regionals at 1 year. They can't keep what they're training at the regionals now.
Southwest is hiring 1,372 pilots THIS YEAR ALONE and projects hiring even more than that next year. See 8:00 mark in this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cFKT9qlsik
Part 135 carriers say they don't have any stacks of resumes anymore because the airlines are sucking everyone up.
The old stories you hear of guys who did the jump years ago are not the stories that we're starting to hear over the past 2-3 years. There are better deals and still as good a schedules as HAA/Gulf provide in the FW world.
Imagine still working a 7/7, but the travel to the job is paid (as part of the 7/7; NOT the day prior and after on your time off), all meals covered the entire week, keep airline/hotel/rental miles, plus per diem, plus catered meals and you keep the meal allowance. It's like an amped up national pool pilot job... but no crappy location all week, no medcrew dictactiing how you fly, you travel on the company's days not your own, in an almost new twin-engine bird, with another pilot for safety.
Don't believe me? Check out NetJets, FlexJets, etc. I've talked to these guys when they've passed my way and it's legit:
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/fractional/flexjet
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Msg ID:
2720739 |
1-3 years to LLC or Majors +0/-0
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Author:Ur
2/18/2022 4:22:23 PM
Reply to: 2720576
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correct. Pretty simple. |
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Msg ID:
2721371 |
Looking to jump to jets +0/-0
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Author:Former Airline FO
2/24/2022 12:39:19 PM
Reply to: 2720563
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2 years from Regional to a major now, unless you wait for flow at American. United probably 3 years right now to flow.
Most jump to JetBlue, or Spirit in 2, even Atlas. |
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Msg ID:
2720578 |
This just in: When enough CEO's bark, regulations could change +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
2/16/2022 1:35:57 PM
Reply to: 2720512
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Could minimums required be lowered to go airlines? Enough CEOs are barking and "thinking creatively"... money talks in our country:
https://airlineweekly.com/2022/02/mesa-airlines-ceo-blames-regulators-for-pilot-shortage/
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Msg ID:
2720613 |
This just in: When enough CEO's bark, regulations could change +0/-0
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Author:cheap
2/16/2022 10:57:03 PM
Reply to: 2720578
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Southwest wants to hire 8000 pilots.United is looking to hire more transgenders,blacks,forigners,whatever is diverse.Just read their ads.I would check the box that says "other" on race and you can skip the communters. |
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Msg ID:
2720615 |
This just in: When enough CEO's bark, regulations could change +0/-0
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Author:Anyone
2/16/2022 11:17:32 PM
Reply to: 2720613
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Can be tranny nowadays, right. What about male lesbian? Do they accept that minority? |
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Msg ID:
2720616 |
This just in: When enough CEO's bark, regulations could change +1/-0
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Author:cheap
2/17/2022 12:55:35 AM
Reply to: 2720615
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I believe they accept anybody who is not a white heterosexual male. |
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Msg ID:
2720765 |
Looking to jump to jets +1/-0
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Author:Just
2/18/2022 9:28:14 PM
Reply to: 2720512
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remember thrust levers forward, go fast, other direction, go slow. Jets are reeeeaaaalllly tough. |
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Msg ID:
2720777 |
Looking to jump to jets +4/-0
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Author:Says
2/18/2022 11:28:47 PM
Reply to: 2720765
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The guy with no turbojet time. Fans and modern fuel controls, including eecs, decs, and Fadecs have made slow spool times an ancient memory. The biggest hump for helo guys to get over now is how much faster things happen compared to the 90 knot Hubert. 9-10 mpm, and you are cutting down radials and dme's faster than you can put a lead correction into. Even that is slipping away as a cherished jet skill. Modern fms, if programmed properly calculates that for you. Staying ahead of the aircraft separates those who are barely hanging on to the tail quickly. Once you are that far behind the aircraft, you better not be single pilot, because you will never catch up. |
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Msg ID:
2720805 |
Looking to jump to jets +1/-1
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Author:Class A airspace
2/19/2022 12:45:38 PM
Reply to: 2720777
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facts!!! Most of these that say flying jets is easy would be so far behind the jet on an arrival Into DFW. wonder how many of these self proclaimed "aces" have flown an overhead traffic pattern doing 200 knots plus in the down wind ?
I have been fortunate to fly rotary and fixed wing in the military. Went rotary first then fixed. By far the most fun flying was spent wearing a G suit. |
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Msg ID:
2722059 |
Looking to jump to jets +0/-0
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Author:Well
3/2/2022 6:16:33 AM
Reply to: 2720777
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stated.
The same tail wagging mental conundrum exists in helicopter SPIFR in high density areas without covering so much terrain. Best not be tired when doing this! Guaranteed. |
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