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Msg ID: 2719689 Does your company require you to  +1/-3     
Author:take a flight if it means
2/8/2022 12:19:53 PM

going over your 14 knowing you will time out before returning to base. We don't have much say in the matter. Forced overtime?



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Msg ID: 2719694 you whiners are one big reason +24/-13     
Author:Anonymous
2/8/2022 12:51:41 PM

Reply to: 2719689

why i quit flying. 

look, the job is to fly patients. when the call comes in, the only time you're supposed to be looking at is if you can get the patient to the receiving within a time that gives you 10 hours off in the preceding 24.

for you jh yokels, that usually means, within 14 hours of signing in for duty.

now if that means you have to drive back and work some overtime (for which you get paid...), oh boo f-ing hoo.

you are a candy-*ss and you should work at the perfume counter at the estee lauder store. flying ain't your bag. 



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Msg ID: 2719697 you whiners are one big reason +18/-8     
Author:Oh
2/8/2022 12:53:53 PM

Reply to: 2719694

So you went into management. Management thinks that acute and chronic fatigue have no effect on aircrew.



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Msg ID: 2719700 now you're being insulting +9/-17     
Author:Anonymous
2/8/2022 12:59:01 PM

Reply to: 2719697

i wouldn't join that crowd of clueless clowns. no, i quit. biggest reason: whiners like you.

and nobody thinks fatigue isn't a thing. stop being such a passive aggressive fem wannabee whiner. grow up.

if you are too tired to do the job, speak up and say so. be a man. you will get time off. are you afraid of what somebody might think? are you afraid of retaliation? what a p*ssy. man up. grow up.

on the other hand, if working 16 hours and then getting 10 hours off makes you too tired to do your job, you need to make some major lifestyle changes. stop boozing, stop smoking, lose some of that lard off of your *ss, get out of the lazy boy and spend a couple hours walking every day, get a strong mental attitude. in a couple of months you'll be a new man, well, a man, anyway. 

you are not cut out for aviation. quit and give the seat to somebody who will act like a man. 



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Msg ID: 2719706 now you're being insulting +3/-3     
Author:Studies
2/8/2022 1:27:09 PM

Reply to: 2719700

Have shown that drowsy driving makes drivers more accident prone than dui. The same would apply to flying. Falling asleep at the wheel is dangerous. Falling asleep at the yoke is even more so.



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Msg ID: 2719760 At the yoke? (NT) +1/-0     
Author:Is that a joke?
2/8/2022 10:00:36 PM

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Msg ID: 2719855 now you're being insulting +0/-0     
Author:Interesting
2/9/2022 10:03:21 PM

Reply to: 2719700

You seem to have a low opinion of women! Why is that?



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Msg ID: 2719858 now you're being insulting +0/-0     
Author:Now
2/9/2022 10:54:01 PM

Reply to: 2719855

That you mention it, I see your point. The quitter went from pilot to management, and now is quitting management. He definitely thinks all pilots should be male, and that all those males should be his definition of men. Astute observation on your part.



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Msg ID: 2719787 As a passenger in the back of a taxi? Nope! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:No FAR demands you be OFF in 14 hrs
2/9/2022 9:00:40 AM

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Msg ID: 2719710 Does your company require you to  +1/-4     
Author:Depends
2/8/2022 1:47:29 PM

Reply to: 2719689

Who the passenger is. If it's a passenger who thinks flying is a religion, certainly.

https://neonnettle.com/news/18233-pelosi-spent-500k-on-private-jets-in-one-year-for-me-it-s-a-religious-thing-

 

 



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Msg ID: 2719713 Does your company require you to  +0/-0     
Author:Thanks far all the great replies.
2/8/2022 2:36:01 PM

Reply to: 2719710

The question still is: is it common.

If you don't do this for a living, you don't have to bother with responding because that would not be terribly helpful and it even gets some delicate flowers upset.



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Msg ID: 2719723 Does your company require you to  +1/-1     
Author:cmon dude, it happens about ......
2/8/2022 4:27:44 PM

Reply to: 2719689

once every 2 months, you're getting paid and you come in later the next day.



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Msg ID: 2719727 Does your company require you to  +1/-0     
Author:come to work...
2/8/2022 5:27:39 PM

Reply to: 2719689

No, just stay at home. Or Turn the flight down, "one to say no". Some companies want you to get a hotel room if the drive back to base takes too long. All-in-all, don't do anything that you do not want to do. Flying around with your lip pooched out is distracting and dangerous. 



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Msg ID: 2719731 Does your company require you to (NT) +0/-0     
Author:get rid of HAA, save lots of money
2/8/2022 6:27:42 PM

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Msg ID: 2719734 Does your company require you to  +2/-0     
Author:NOT
2/8/2022 6:57:58 PM

Reply to: 2719689

legal.

Put your evidence together and got to the FAA, in DC.  Talking to ur FSDO only alerts the players to a need for coverup.



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Msg ID: 2719761 It’s legal  +0/-8     
Author:In the know
2/8/2022 10:06:29 PM

Reply to: 2719734

Forced overtime? Maybe. if it's in their GOM, SOP, job description and you accepted the offer and went through training....then thats on you. The expectation was laid out.

My company, if the flight can be planned to have patient at receiving and you can be back pilot only by 15th hour, then accept the flight. Other fatigue considerations are included.

 



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Msg ID: 2719765 It’s legal  +0/-0     
Author:They never
2/8/2022 10:49:17 PM

Reply to: 2719761

put that stuff in writing and what the hell are doing after 14. 



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Msg ID: 2719767 It’s in writing where I work +1/-2     
Author:I’m the know
2/8/2022 10:56:31 PM

Reply to: 2719765

What are they doing after 14? Returning to base pilot only under Part 91. Pilot swap or crew returns by ground. Like I said the guidance has other fatigue considerations in it. It's well documented. Not rocket science.



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Msg ID: 2719768 It’s in writing where I work +0/-0     
Author:it's not in writing and
2/8/2022 11:06:09 PM

Reply to: 2719767

you don't do this for a living pretty obvious. "well documented" I wonder what that means. lol



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Msg ID: 2719769 It’s in writing where I work +0/-0     
Author:common sense
2/8/2022 11:25:48 PM

Reply to: 2719768

If I cant return with crew within 14 hours I turn it down. Fill out neccessary forms and go about my day never had a problem. The rules all all in how you interpret them, set your own boundries and stick to them.



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Msg ID: 2719873 Well, not if you work* for others... (NT) +0/-0     
Author:* where their rules are your obligation
2/10/2022 9:59:07 AM

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Msg ID: 2719770 It’s in writing where I work (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Glad I Quit after 25 years of this
2/8/2022 11:33:00 PM

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Msg ID: 2719774 It’s in writing where I work +0/-0     
Author:we were really sad to see you go
2/8/2022 11:45:32 PM

Reply to: 2719770

lol



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Msg ID: 2719775 It’s in writing where I work +1/-1     
Author:In the know
2/9/2022 12:25:05 AM

Reply to: 2719768

If you read what I wrote. It's in the GOM and SOP. But what do I know. Only been doing EMS for 15 years.



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Msg ID: 2719776 It’s in writing where I work +2/-0     
Author:You haven’t been in
2/9/2022 12:43:01 AM

Reply to: 2719775

EMS for 15 minutes. Your posts scream pretender



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Msg ID: 2719901 It’s in writing where I work +0/-0     
Author:In the know
2/10/2022 3:44:04 PM

Reply to: 2719776

If you say so. 🤷🏻‍♂️



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Msg ID: 2719983 It’s legal  +0/-0     
Author:Ur
2/11/2022 1:57:42 PM

Reply to: 2719761

mixing tinker-toy company garbage with real Federal rules.  Nothing trumps, so to speak, the Fed requirements.  
If any of that company baloney is in writing submit it to FAA DC Legal, anonymously.

You are guaranteed a response in the record.



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Msg ID: 2719907 Does your company require you to  +0/-0     
Author:olderendirt
2/10/2022 4:40:36 PM

Reply to: 2719689

"Does your company require you to take a flight if it means going over your 14 knowing you will time out before returning to base. We don't have much say in the matter. Forced overtime?"

 

That issue is moot. I can turn down any flight request.

Or- I can drop the med crew at receiving hospital and leg it back to base for relief within 14 hour duty.

Or leave your car keys at the base, relief pilot drives your car orrelief pilots' POV to receiving hospital to relieve you.

You have at least 2 hours to coordinate the relief process. Often the aircraft, crew were back at base before you got there.

Your duty period is to respond to all dispatch requests you can safely and legally accept. Sometimes the sending facility loses control and sometimes the patient goes suddem;y downhill.

It gets a little sticky when you can 'accept dispatch reasonably expecting to complete it within duty time limits' and the patient is FUBAR, eleventy-eight drips and vented, circling the drain, requiring extensive preparation. I've waited 8 hours before the crew loaded the patient before the medical crew had stabilized  the patient. Had one die onboard three times, twice landing at facilities en route for assistance.

It is what it is right then and there, deal with it, let the medical team do the medical thing and you just fly.



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Msg ID: 2719925 Does your company require you to  +0/-1     
Author:listen you stupid idiot
2/10/2022 8:45:18 PM

Reply to: 2719907

I didn't ask for some long-winded, inane, bullsh*t, story time, f**king book of dumbassery  you moronic, vacuous f**kwit.

It's a simple f**king question. Thanks!



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Msg ID: 2719926 Does your company require you to  +0/-0     
Author:Maybe
2/10/2022 8:52:39 PM

Reply to: 2719925

But your simple question was asked in a moronic manner. Handsome is as handsome does.



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Msg ID: 2719929 Does your company require you to  +0/-1     
Author:say wut
2/10/2022 9:05:12 PM

Reply to: 2719926

we found somebody dumber that oldnstupid



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Msg ID: 2719979 Does your company require you to  +0/-1     
Author:Don’t
2/11/2022 12:30:57 PM

Reply to: 2719929

Be so hard on yourself. 



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Msg ID: 2721116 Does your company require you to  +0/-0     
Author:Bet
2/22/2022 5:09:25 PM

Reply to: 2719925

you are far from saying that to anyone's face.  One thing for sure about online behavior is many just have no filters when it comes to anonymous behavior, which gives that individual something to work from, towards being a better online personal representative.  

Yeah, long winded, don't like it, your problem.

Olderndirt put some effort in to providing quite a bit to work with, if you can't understand the English language ur free to work at that too.

The short reply would be:

Pi ssss off.



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