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Msg ID: 2719653 Hearing voices of pilot’s unions at RLC and WW  +12/-2     
Author:Rougarou
2/8/2022 4:59:49 AM

Ghost of Air Log



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Msg ID: 2719670 Hearing voices of pilot’s unions at RLC and WW  +1/-2     
Author:As
2/8/2022 10:36:17 AM

Reply to: 2719653

it must be.



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Msg ID: 2719825 The Long and the...uh, Long Of It +5/-0     
Author:One Who's Been There
2/9/2022 3:10:27 PM

Reply to: 2719670

This is a little long, so you short-attention-span types who have trouble concentrating on anything longer than a meme should just add a snarky comment and X-out of this post.

Trying to start a union at WW or RLC would be a foolish move. Helicopter pilots will often *say* they want a union. But they don't really mean it.  They'll complain about their current situation, but they don't really want to do anything to upset it. None of them will publicly come out and support the union. They'll tell you privately that they support the drive, but they can't...you know...be open about it, too much to risk, you know - I have a wife and kids! 

Some of the "supporters" will actually be rats who scurry back to management and report on the progress of the organizing drive...who the leaders are and what the basic demands are going to be.  I used to think that helicopter pilots were pretty good guys. What a dope I was. During the PHI organizing drive in the mid-1990's, we saw this kind of spying-to-curry-favor-with-management many times.  Sometimes their identity was known; sometimes it was a surprise. But we almost always found out who they were.  It was truly heartbreaking at first, until I came to the very obvious conclusion that helicopter pilots are basically selfish sc*mbags.  That's pretty harsh, I know.  And you'll think, "Oh no, not *me!*   That's right: You're the good guy.  It's all those *other* ones. Right. Gotcha. On the other hand, there were guys who were very anti-union.  I had long discussions with some of them, and they voiced their opinions about why they felt as they did.  I respected those guys - at least they stood up for what they believed.

By the way, forget about ALPA.  ALPA doesn't want to deal with puny helicopter pilots.  They wouldn't even return our calls.  Only the OPEIU was willing to spend the time, money and resources to represent us with no guarantee of success.  I'll give them that.  

First day of contract negotiations, PHI's highly-paid, infamous union-busting lawyer opened the day's session by launching into a long, loud, childish vitriolic rant about how we were NEVER! going to see a signed contract!  NEVER!  I looked over at the PHI table - guys I'd known and worked with and respected for nearly 15 years, and I knew how embarrassed they must have been (at least, I hoped they were).  When the guy was done, the OPEIU rep launched into a childish tirade of his own. I sat back, deflated already, realizing what a terrible mistake I'd made.  These people were not grown adults - they were children.

The entire story is long and complicated. We *did* eventually hammer out a contract.  And that's all I ever wanted. I'm sure the other guys from both sides who were "in on it" back then have their own stories to tell. But what I came away with is this: I'm still a strong believer in the importance of employees having representation, especially in so-called "at-will" states.  But, helicopter pilot unions?  It's not worth the aggravation and trouble. It's not an industry populated by adults. (Read some of the threads on this board if you need convincing.)  And, from talking with my friends in the industry, it's STILL not!  Look, if you're unhappy where you are, just go find yourself a "better" job (heh).  Maybe you can find a job herding cats for a living. That would undoubtedly be more rewarding and more successful than trying to organize helicopter pilots.

I warned you it was long.



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Msg ID: 2719848 thanks For that fake rant (NT) +0/-0     
Author:George king of the plugs
2/9/2022 8:07:38 PM

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Msg ID: 2719780 255-120 more EIEIO union fail +0/-3     
Author:Voted out more than 2-1
2/9/2022 6:27:21 AM

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Msg ID: 2719786 255-120 more EIEIO union fail +0/-0     
Author:cheap
2/9/2022 8:51:04 AM

Reply to: 2719780

Apply to ALPA,forget that OPEIU union.



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Msg ID: 2719797 255-120 more EIEIO union fail +2/-0     
Author:lol
2/9/2022 11:23:02 AM

Reply to: 2719786

Seeing how helicopter unions and their members have fared in the past, I doubt ALPA wants anything to do with you guys. Two chopper pilots together can't even agree which direction the sun comes up each morning. How are you going to get any of them to agree to a contract proposal?



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Msg ID: 2719803 255-120 more EIEIO union fail +5/-0     
Author:That is harsh.
2/9/2022 12:45:15 PM

Reply to: 2719797

I winced when I read it. But it's an undeniable truth. Even when the truth hurts, like it does now, the truth can't be shied away from. And to be redundant, helicopter pilots can't even agree on which way the sun rides. A minimum of 50% of the time helicopter pilots are totally wrong.



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Msg ID: 2719851 How bad do you have to run a union  +0/-2     
Author:That you get voted out 2-1
2/9/2022 8:12:34 PM

Reply to: 2719786

how did those sunday morning secret meetings and constant lies work out?



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Msg ID: 2719886 Not voted out, bought out +5/-0     
Author:$12 million dollars
2/10/2022 11:46:46 AM

Reply to: 2719851

That's was the payout to the employees of Bristow that were furloughed during the merger. Most had other jobs already lined up and didn't want to work for the "new" management team anyway. Oh, and what did the Era employees get that were "no longer needed?" A pink piece of paper that said FU.

I hear they are still "downsizing" the GoM operation.

PHI is prepping S-92's for SAR work.

Chevron moved into the hangar at the Galliano Airport.

Hope you have your resume' ready. I hear one of the managers got sent packing recently. Wonder where he'll end up? He always said he wanted to teach in Alabama. 

2-1 vote, HA! You got more spin than Katrina and Ida combined! 



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Msg ID: 2719951 Not voted out, bought out +3/-0     
Author:3 Bristow Top Mgmt
2/11/2022 4:10:35 AM

Reply to: 2719886
Employees were paid more than the combined hundreds of workers let go after the merger. Workers were offered a financial package to sign away their union rights to a job they knew was never to return. Most took the package and voted No. Almost all union employees were let go, only ones voting were era employees. Give it time, they will regret getting laid off with no benefits. I was anti union until after this merger. CB is a an overcompensated doosh.


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Msg ID: 2719956 Typical EIEIO union fail +0/-3     
Author:Again
2/11/2022 6:47:11 AM

Reply to: 2719886

Typical of the EIEIO, keep refusing to acknowledge they had any part in the collapse. Very typical of the Good old boy club president. Funny even the union officers gave up their vote, how much do you really believe in it if you do that? How to crash and burn a union.

1. Protect the plugs at all costs

2. Spend hundreds of thousands to protest everything, even when you know you are wrong.

3. Portray your members as a hostile work force to management even if they aren’t. (It’s just you)

4. Conduct Sunday morning secret meetings to elect reelect yourselves without a vote of the members

5. Lie to the troops about the company at every turn. E.g. Storm help. Thanks Rainman, nice one.

6. Wash rinse repeat. No union gets voted out by its own members that doesn’t deserve it. 



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Msg ID: 2719936 OPEIU bad! (NT) +0/-2     
Author:Anonymous
2/10/2022 9:38:43 PM

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Msg ID: 2719957 Numbers don’t lie (NT) +0/-2     
Author:Count the votes
2/11/2022 6:48:17 AM

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