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Msg ID: 2717926 AMC starting pay +2/-0     
Author:Abc123
1/23/2022 11:56:46 PM
I looked at the CBA and it lists a pay range for new pilots. It also stated that existing pilots would get a 6.6% raise then 3.25% annually after that. Does this mean that the base pay scale will have gone up 6.6% and 3.25% annually as well? Just curious what is a realistic starting salary.

Any insight as to what qualifies one for higher starting pay on the scale? IFR, ATP, experience etc.?


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Msg ID: 2717927 AMC starting pay +2/-0     
Author:Answers
1/24/2022 7:25:51 AM

Reply to: 2717926

The starting pay never moves, it's within that stated range.  With the inflation crap, and competitor starting wages, I'd be willing to bet you could negotiate starting at the upper limit or damn close to it.  IFR, ATP, and all other additional pay are stated right there in the CBA, and are paid in addition to your base pay rate.  

Cost of living and hard to fill stipends are also paid "additionally."  I keep saying additionally because your overtime rates are based on just your base pay, not the additional payments.



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Msg ID: 2717928 AMC starting pay +1/-2     
Author:Not a bad deal
1/24/2022 7:53:05 AM

Reply to: 2717927

Air Methodd is the place you want to go if your going for the long haul 100%. Made the mistake of try others but mostly because of base location. Skip Air Evac, PHI and Metro 1000% over. 



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Msg ID: 2719142 AMC starting pay +0/-0     
Author:Homework Req.
2/3/2022 5:42:55 PM

Reply to: 2717928

Consider the whole enchilada...if you just consider the starting pay and not the safety, insurance packages, 401k, equipment, turn-over rates, employee satisfaction, business mode, wage increases, leadership etc. you may end up making the wrong career move. Take your time and do you homework fellow pilots...pay isnt everything. 



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Msg ID: 2717935 AMC starting pay +1/-1     
Author:So
1/24/2022 10:48:32 AM

Reply to: 2717927

is AMC finally paying for working at an IFR base?  That lack of IFR additional compensation kept me away from IFR bases - didn't need the hassle for zilch money.



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Msg ID: 2717929 AMC starting pay +1/-1     
Author:Anonymous
1/24/2022 8:25:33 AM

Reply to: 2717926

Your starting pay will be in that specific range (not an increase of any percent; that was for existing pilots as stated).  They used to be sticklers for prior "EMS" experience only (and didn't consider military MEDEVAC experience either), but I didn't have either and they still gave me the upper end of the range because of qualifications I negotiated with them as to why I was worth it.

IFR is if your base is IFR.  ATP is if you have it (and you can get ATP from the company at your first annual checkride if you want to put in the work to get it).  Very few bases have COLAs (called "ACRA" or something like that) and/or stipends.  

If you're not hard up for work and/or you've seen the base has had an opening for a while then I'd negotiate right now for an even higher salary.  Heard a rumor they're giving either higher salary or some form of "experience stipdend" but not sure if it's true.  For real; hold out for a month or so by sticking to your guns (and don't believe the "someone else is interested in the job") and they'll probably give. 

The starting pay in this industry sucks and we need more people who are in a position to negotiate harder to do so for all of us.  The former military guys keep screwing us by accepting low wages because they have their retirement and VA disability so they keep accepting low wages.  

Also, ditto on the comment about AMC.  Their standardization seems to be way better regarding training and onboarding.  Heard that from lots of other guys I went through training with.  They were all way more impressed with AMC (and by no means is AMC perfect; it's definitely Area Manager/Region specific).  



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Msg ID: 2717930 AMC starting pay +0/-1     
Author:so
1/24/2022 9:05:53 AM

Reply to: 2717929

anybody gonna answer the question or what



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Msg ID: 2717931 AMC starting pay +1/-2     
Author:Or what
1/24/2022 9:38:32 AM

Reply to: 2717930

Tree Fiddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Msg ID: 2717997 AMC starting pay +1/-1     
Author:Anonymous
1/24/2022 8:32:25 PM

Reply to: 2717931

Hilarious...but, you're still a retard.  Get back on the short bus.



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Msg ID: 2717998 AMC starting pay +0/-1     
Author:Anonymous
1/24/2022 8:36:03 PM

Reply to: 2717931

Hilarious...but, you're still a retard.  Get back on the short bus.



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Msg ID: 2717942 AMC starting pay +0/-3     
Author:What was the question?
1/24/2022 12:26:09 PM

Reply to: 2717930

Does it matter?  It doesn't matter until you've been made an offer anyways.  So, why not go thru the process and see if you can even get hired.  If you don't have the energy to do even that, we don't want you anyways.



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Msg ID: 2717945 AMC starting pay +4/-1     
Author:it matters because
1/24/2022 12:35:04 PM

Reply to: 2717942

it's good to know a range before you waste a bunch time on a company that doesn't pay. welcome to earth bro



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Msg ID: 2717993 AMC starting pay +0/-2     
Author:Just what I thought
1/24/2022 8:19:54 PM

Reply to: 2717945

You're a lazy looser.  Stay where you are, which is probably nowhere.  You're gonna base your decision on information from this forum?  You're not worth my air.



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Msg ID: 2717943 AMC starting pay +1/-1     
Author:PAY
1/24/2022 12:32:04 PM

Reply to: 2717930

68-73K Starting regardless of experience.

IFR 3K

ATP 600

Stipends from 5-12.5K

COLA at some bases.

They are bypassing the Union now and giving stipends from 3-8K.

Which means a new hire pilot can come in with less time in company and less over all experience and make more money than a long term company employee.

Pay has not kept up were it needs to be by far. 68-73K in Cali is below the poverty line, you can get food stamps.



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Msg ID: 2717946 AMC starting pay +0/-1     
Author:Depends
1/24/2022 12:36:28 PM

Reply to: 2717943

San Deigo, yes, Fresno, no.



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Msg ID: 2717947 AMC starting pay +0/-1     
Author:bypassing the union?
1/24/2022 12:36:35 PM

Reply to: 2717943

union against company paying you more?



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Msg ID: 2717948 NOPE! Union has asked for immediate raises several times. Company DENIES it +1/-1     
Author:Stipends getting yanked everyday
1/24/2022 12:49:28 PM

Reply to: 2717947

Stipends are NOT protected and the company has given "experience bonuses" and other creative titles promising to give it to the pilot for the duration of employment only to STOP them months later....happening all the time. Want to FORCE the company to agree to the union demand to pay more? STOP picking up workover and covering shifts. Make them feel it or they don't care.



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Msg ID: 2718034 Well, maybe if you worked with 5he company during COVID (NT) +0/-0     
Author:they might have considered your request
1/25/2022 10:04:51 AM

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Msg ID: 2717994 AMC starting pay +0/-0     
Author:Nope
1/24/2022 8:21:28 PM

Reply to: 2717947

But it certainly sets a precedent, no?



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Msg ID: 2717972 AMC starting pay +2/-2     
Author:military guys?
1/24/2022 5:48:51 PM

Reply to: 2717929

you don't hink it could be all these robertson guys, with 70-80K in loans to pay, who are happily taking anything offered for a paying gig flying turbine equipment? you sure?



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Msg ID: 2718029 AMC starting pay +1/-0     
Author:Robinson?
1/25/2022 8:58:41 AM

Reply to: 2717972

You might be thinking of Robertson STOL conversions.



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Msg ID: 2718601 AMC starting pay +2/-0     
Author:Jessie Joe
1/30/2022 10:58:21 AM

Reply to: 2717972

So you don't think it's the ex military guys with the pensions that will take the low starting pay jst for something to do that creates the problem ?

No medical to pay and $70k to suplement their pension  that's who's accepting every position !!!

I'm ex military and have watched it happening at AMC for 18 years so don't blame the civvi guys.



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Msg ID: 2717961 AMC starting pay +0/-1     
Author:Abc123
1/24/2022 3:53:01 PM

Reply to: 2717926

great info thanks. Im looking for my forever home close to home. So many bases open right now abs many have been for months. I'm hoping that's because I live somewhere dull and not because the environment sucks.

 

i appreciate the responses. Especially tree-fiddy and I'm a loser for doing research before dropping my app. 



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Msg ID: 2717995 AMC starting pay +0/-1     
Author:This is your research?
1/24/2022 8:23:07 PM

Reply to: 2717961

whatever, bro.



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Msg ID: 2717965 AMC starting pay (NT) +0/-1     
Author:p lo pay sucks
1/24/2022 4:28:38 PM

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Msg ID: 2718006 AMC starting pay +0/-1     
Author:Take
1/24/2022 9:22:38 PM

Reply to: 2717926

a look at airline starting pay.  Projected next year there will be a 12,000 FW pilot deficit just here in the US.

Some Regionals offering FOs over 60k plus signing and relo etc.  

 



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Msg ID: 2718058 thats if you have a FW RATING  +0/-2     
Author:IF NOT
1/25/2022 12:46:28 PM

Reply to: 2718006

THEN good luck starting all over again being a pilot in training, testing, training, testing for the next 6-8months full time....no thanks. 



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Msg ID: 2718059 thats if you have a FW RATING  +0/-1     
Author:that's funny
1/25/2022 12:50:43 PM

Reply to: 2718058

some idiot informs us you need an airplane rating to fly an airplane and (get this) if you don't have one, you have to train for it.



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Msg ID: 2718087 thats if you have a FW RATING  +0/-1     
Author:Yes,
1/25/2022 2:33:01 PM

Reply to: 2718058

you need airplane ME land, at least.  ATP ME is preferred.  Training is training.  



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Msg ID: 2718068 Which regionals starting at $60? +1/-1     
Author:Anonymous
1/25/2022 1:32:43 PM

Reply to: 2718006

That's not bad given that 2-4 years later you're making over $100K (compared to the $40-50K days).  

I know one Army guard guy who did 2 years with one of the flow to American regionals and jumped to Frontier at the 2 year mark.  First year at $60K minimum guaranteed, $95K 2nd year minimum guaranteed, then it shoots way up after that.  



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Msg ID: 2718088 Which regionals starting at $60? +0/-1     
Author:Very true.
1/25/2022 2:38:54 PM

Reply to: 2718068

Check out the obvious regionals but also those lines like Jet Blue, Spirit and others of that tier.  

Getting started is the most important aspect, and with entry to the larger equipment you can snag a better career progression with respect to just about everything involved.

Myself, did the airlines for short of a decade and got soooooo totally bored staring at an instrument panel and then inside of cloud that I just couldn't hack it further.  

The pay was getting up there but sanity, or lack of it, prevailed in my case.  Is what it was.  History now.



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Msg ID: 2718091 Which regionals starting at $60? +0/-0     
Author:no, you did not
1/25/2022 3:05:45 PM

Reply to: 2718088

work for the airlines. it's pretty obvious. check out the word salad of gibberish:

"Getting started is the most important aspect, and with entry to the larger equipment you can snag a better career progression with respect to just about everything involved."

wut. lol

 



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Msg ID: 2718094 Which regionals starting at $60? +0/-0     
Author:every been inside a cloud
1/25/2022 3:37:54 PM

Reply to: 2718088

at 35K? me neither.



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Msg ID: 2718118 AMC starting pay +3/-0     
Author:Wished I would have
1/25/2022 5:32:43 PM

Reply to: 2718006

Me and a buddy 30 years ago:

Buddy:  I'm going in the airlines.  

Me:  No way, I love helicopters

Today:

Buddy:  My paycheck is about 40K a month

Me:  I get workover



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Msg ID: 2718141 30+ YEARS to get to $100K!?!?!?! +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
1/25/2022 8:52:44 PM

Reply to: 2717926

Dude, AMC, Med-Trans, Metro, AEL, all the bottom-feeders... they all have the same pay scale +/-1-2K/month.  

It will take you 30 years to make it to $100K for a career-field that's supposed to have "experienced" aviators flying their aircraft (i.e., this is not an entry-level job).  

Someone else can do the math here to show what your money will be worth in 30 years after inflation but regardless: making it to $100K THIRTY YEARS from now is ludicrous.  



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Msg ID: 2719139 30+ YEARS to get to $100K!?!?!?! +0/-0     
Author:Your Waaaay off
2/3/2022 5:33:03 PM

Reply to: 2718141

Once again, a typical moronic response... so, did the math and you are waaay off. Also, you must consider the other benefits as well. Try to beat the medical benefits, for instance, of Metro. (Almost free.) 

Bottom feeders? Again, waaaay off. Whoever really wants to know, go to a companies website and look for their programs and customers...this guy, GEESH Wink



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Msg ID: 2718149 AMC starting pay +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
1/25/2022 10:11:31 PM

Reply to: 2717926

At MTC for less than a year.  Over $120k w/ minimal OT/work overs.  No civilian experience.  Yes, retired mil and VA.  Haters gonna hate, suck it!



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Msg ID: 2718342 AMC starting pay +0/-1     
Author:Your the problem!
1/27/2022 3:50:51 PM

Reply to: 2718149

I bet your 100% disabled too.

Pay little taxes, and think your a financial wizard.

Just keep telling yourself your a great person, and everyone likes you.

Truth be told, your the problem.

Abuse, and I'm going to get mine.

You Sir are a proud American, and I bet an inspiration to all that are around.



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Msg ID: 2718153 AMC starting pay. Doesn't matter. (NT) +0/-1     
Author:Uncle Joe will take it all.
1/25/2022 11:52:16 PM

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Msg ID: 2718811 AMC starting pay +0/-0     
Author:Pay?
1/31/2022 6:24:35 PM

Reply to: 2717926

What pay?

I thought that was the subsistence allowance, just like dem flood sthamps thingies mah fahmbly gets.



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