The starting pay never moves, it's within that stated range.  With the inflation crap, and competitor starting wages, I'd be willing to bet you could negotiate starting at the upper limit or damn close to it.  IFR, ATP, and all other additional pay are stated right there in the CBA, and are paid in addition to your base pay rate.  

Cost of living and hard to fill stipends are also paid "additionally."  I keep saying additionally because your overtime rates are based on just your base pay, not the additional payments.

Air Methodd is the place you want to go if your going for the long haul 100%. Made the mistake of try others but mostly because of base location. Skip Air Evac, PHI and Metro 1000% over. 

Consider the whole enchilada...if you just consider the starting pay and not the safety, insurance packages, 401k, equipment, turn-over rates, employee satisfaction, business mode, wage increases, leadership etc. you may end up making the wrong career move. Take your time and do you homework fellow pilots...pay isnt everything. 

is AMC finally paying for working at an IFR base?  That lack of IFR additional compensation kept me away from IFR bases - didn't need the hassle for zilch money.

Your starting pay will be in that specific range (not an increase of any percent; that was for existing pilots as stated).  They used to be sticklers for prior "EMS" experience only (and didn't consider military MEDEVAC experience either), but I didn't have either and they still gave me the upper end of the range because of qualifications I negotiated with them as to why I was worth it.

IFR is if your base is IFR.  ATP is if you have it (and you can get ATP from the company at your first annual checkride if you want to put in the work to get it).  Very few bases have COLAs (called "ACRA" or something like that) and/or stipends.  

If you're not hard up for work and/or you've seen the base has had an opening for a while then I'd negotiate right now for an even higher salary.  Heard a rumor they're giving either higher salary or some form of "experience stipdend" but not sure if it's true.  For real; hold out for a month or so by sticking to your guns (and don't believe the "someone else is interested in the job") and they'll probably give. 

The starting pay in this industry sucks and we need more people who are in a position to negotiate harder to do so for all of us.  The former military guys keep screwing us by accepting low wages because they have their retirement and VA disability so they keep accepting low wages.  

Also, ditto on the comment about AMC.  Their standardization seems to be way better regarding training and onboarding.  Heard that from lots of other guys I went through training with.  They were all way more impressed with AMC (and by no means is AMC perfect; it's definitely Area Manager/Region specific).  

anybody gonna answer the question or what

Tree Fiddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hilarious...but, you're still a retard.  Get back on the short bus.

Hilarious...but, you're still a retard.  Get back on the short bus.

Does it matter?  It doesn't matter until you've been made an offer anyways.  So, why not go thru the process and see if you can even get hired.  If you don't have the energy to do even that, we don't want you anyways.

it's good to know a range before you waste a bunch time on a company that doesn't pay. welcome to earth bro

You're a lazy looser.  Stay where you are, which is probably nowhere.  You're gonna base your decision on information from this forum?  You're not worth my air.

68-73K Starting regardless of experience.

IFR 3K

ATP 600

Stipends from 5-12.5K

COLA at some bases.

They are bypassing the Union now and giving stipends from 3-8K.

Which means a new hire pilot can come in with less time in company and less over all experience and make more money than a long term company employee.

Pay has not kept up were it needs to be by far. 68-73K in Cali is below the poverty line, you can get food stamps.

San Deigo, yes, Fresno, no.

union against company paying you more?

Stipends are NOT protected and the company has given "experience bonuses" and other creative titles promising to give it to the pilot for the duration of employment only to STOP them months later....happening all the time. Want to FORCE the company to agree to the union demand to pay more? STOP picking up workover and covering shifts. Make them feel it or they don't care.

But it certainly sets a precedent, no?

you don't hink it could be all these robertson guys, with 70-80K in loans to pay, who are happily taking anything offered for a paying gig flying turbine equipment? you sure?

You might be thinking of Robertson STOL conversions.

So you don't think it's the ex military guys with the pensions that will take the low starting pay jst for something to do that creates the problem ?

No medical to pay and $70k to suplement their pension  that's who's accepting every position !!!

I'm ex military and have watched it happening at AMC for 18 years so don't blame the civvi guys.

great info thanks. Im looking for my forever home close to home. So many bases open right now abs many have been for months. I'm hoping that's because I live somewhere dull and not because the environment sucks.

i appreciate the responses. Especially tree-fiddy and I'm a loser for doing research before dropping my app. 

whatever, bro.

a look at airline starting pay.  Projected next year there will be a 12,000 FW pilot deficit just here in the US.

Some Regionals offering FOs over 60k plus signing and relo etc.  

THEN good luck starting all over again being a pilot in training, testing, training, testing for the next 6-8months full time....no thanks. 

some idiot informs us you need an airplane rating to fly an airplane and (get this) if you don't have one, you have to train for it.

you need airplane ME land, at least.  ATP ME is preferred.  Training is training.  

That's not bad given that 2-4 years later you're making over $100K (compared to the $40-50K days).  

I know one Army guard guy who did 2 years with one of the flow to American regionals and jumped to Frontier at the 2 year mark.  First year at $60K minimum guaranteed, $95K 2nd year minimum guaranteed, then it shoots way up after that.  

Check out the obvious regionals but also those lines like Jet Blue, Spirit and others of that tier.  

Getting started is the most important aspect, and with entry to the larger equipment you can snag a better career progression with respect to just about everything involved.

Myself, did the airlines for short of a decade and got soooooo totally bored staring at an instrument panel and then inside of cloud that I just couldn't hack it further.  

The pay was getting up there but sanity, or lack of it, prevailed in my case.  Is what it was.  History now.

work for the airlines. it's pretty obvious. check out the word salad of gibberish:

"Getting started is the most important aspect, and with entry to the larger equipment you can snag a better career progression with respect to just about everything involved."

wut. lol

at 35K? me neither.

Me and a buddy 30 years ago:

Buddy:  I'm going in the airlines.  

Me:  No way, I love helicopters

Today:

Buddy:  My paycheck is about 40K a month

Me:  I get workover

Dude, AMC, Med-Trans, Metro, AEL, all the bottom-feeders... they all have the same pay scale +/-1-2K/month.  

It will take you 30 years to make it to $100K for a career-field that's supposed to have "experienced" aviators flying their aircraft (i.e., this is not an entry-level job).  

Someone else can do the math here to show what your money will be worth in 30 years after inflation but regardless: making it to $100K THIRTY YEARS from now is ludicrous.  

Once again, a typical moronic response... so, did the math and you are waaay off. Also, you must consider the other benefits as well. Try to beat the medical benefits, for instance, of Metro. (Almost free.) 

Bottom feeders? Again, waaaay off. Whoever really wants to know, go to a companies website and look for their programs and customers...this guy, GEESH 

At MTC for less than a year.  Over $120k w/ minimal OT/work overs.  No civilian experience.  Yes, retired mil and VA.  Haters gonna hate, suck it!

I bet your 100% disabled too.

Pay little taxes, and think your a financial wizard.

Just keep telling yourself your a great person, and everyone likes you.

Truth be told, your the problem.

Abuse, and I'm going to get mine.

You Sir are a proud American, and I bet an inspiration to all that are around.

What pay?

I thought that was the subsistence allowance, just like dem flood sthamps thingies mah fahmbly gets.