http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2022/01/eurocopter-ec-135p2-n531ln-incident.html</a>

If this report is accurate, and it may be, it will come to be the ""immaculate arrival"" of helicopter history!

AMC had a 222 in MN some years ago had some sort of a hydraulic lockout in cruise flight.  The aircraft went into a loop, and actually did two loops before the pilot could put it down on to a flat roof.  It was an amazing fight that the pilot was able to walk away from.  Can't remember if there was a crew onboard or not.

Point being these things happen.  Don't kid yourself.  What will you do?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MfFStR_fA8

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do remember that.  Think it was a 222UT around Omaha?

I recall one other member on board left seat

think so unless ur talking about the copilot GOD.

Seems something that caused loss of control like structural failure involving horizontal stabilizer lateral shift, or yaw hardover, AFCS trim motor problem, lack of 2018 AD accomplishment, a bullet?  Gonna be something.  Whatever it was it announced itself with a "loud bang".

The respect and admiration values are increasing.  Interesting for sure.

Sorry to break it to you

get it but if, and only if, you are of mind a "high" powered deer rifle round (.308, 30-06 etc.) can't reach 1500' AGL with a lot of force you'd be on the incorrect side of that reality.

In Vietnam we were told 1500' AGL put us in safe territory and it seemed fine, mostly, but it really was not.

The two times I heard loud bangs ,, one was a bird strike , Heli was put on Flat bed back to base .. EC130.

The other time was multiple compressor stalls , AS350 on final 300ft approx ,,,popped floats as I had two options at time , small helipad or water , maintained enough power to land Helipad. One of the floats partially inflated so water may not of ended well. 

It will be interesting to find out what caused Barrel Roll ( according to crew member ) if that happened in flight or on impact.

of the reasons 1500' is no longer relevant as a safe height.  Ain't no one's bud!

Hitting a helicopter on Call of Duty is not as easy in real life, man.  Especially with a single-shot deer rifle.  Good luck.

We were rarely hit with AK fire at lower altitudes... so higher altitudes do help in that regard.  The concept of leading a target is hard for many to grasp.  

Good call on the 'loud bang" concept below.  It's more of a light thunk if it didn't hit anything serious.  

have all the pundits onboard!

altitudes do help in that regard."

That's the point all right!

ahead of ya, but thanks for the thoughtful sincerity.

Bullets hitting helicopters tend not to be a loud bang unless it hits something that thereafter creates it.  Yes, experience with it.

necessarily critical, just something that makes a loud noise, n this case potentially what caused the problem excepting bullets have the potential of hitting more than one component while rattling about from trajectory to resultant traj.

I happen to be the oldest of the millenials who served continuously through an entire wartime army.  So stfu old man and sit down

Not until you get off ur high horse, see, we bruhs!!!!

Crackah me uph!

Bruhskie time.

Lighten up, tanks fur da soivice.

spend that combat pay at a Burger King or Subway....wartime army?

in the rear, 7 months in a tent, 4 months in the open field.  Learned to really like being in the outdoors though!

Silver lining, eh?

service?  That's what government employed lawyers call their jobs.  Calm down.

years on the front line?  Ah, no.

Retired millennials, out to pasture, as it should be and should never have been.

20 years of low grade conflict and achieved nothing but colossal debt.

Not the soldier's fault, just to clarify.

Vote 'em out.

since 'u was there' the whole 50 years use dah mahn in deer know.

Millenial!

We've had plenty of time to figure it all out, waaay ahead of ya.

Hmmm....Afghanistan, 3.3 trillion, 20 years, and all over in 10 days.

Good job.

if the US convinced Afghan people to be sensitive to the she/her, he/him, wanker/wanker2, LGBTQ1++ and all that other asinine horse scheittttt.

The average American hasn't a fre a king clue about how naive they are with respect to our place in the world, not a clue.  Very dangerous stuff.

to stay in your own lane of experience there, er, sir.

If you don't have first hand knowledge and a reasonable education probably ought not to post things that are not true.  

Bad idea.

are things of which one should be ashamed and judging the experience of others without having been there, amongst them, is one of them.

Long time since I have flown the Dolphin, but wasn't a tail rotor failure (fan or driveshaft) manifisted into a yaw, roll, and then nose tuck?  

Doorbell cameras confirmed the fenestron was at least being driven as it's audio was very clear. Control continuity was confirmed by ntsb on all controls including the tail. At this point it's down to the hydraulic system/servos making a control input that couldn't immediately be held back by the pilot. All parts of the aircraft made it to the landing site and are accounted for so no major CG change by a loss of component or aerodynamic change by loss of stabilizers. The bang part....hard to say, if a servo suddenly commands a full deflection of a control at maximum extension speed that may itself make the bang sound. Thankfully everyone is alive and aircraft intact so they can pull everything apart on a bench and download all the data and come up with a reason.  

there Is another doorbell camera from the house directly behind the 1st cameras. Cam1 saw the descent and leveling off above tree line with some pitch oscillations before aircraft flew overhead The camera. Cam2 shows aircraft straight and level at maybe 200' agl heading southeast towards the crash site. Whatever major control malfunction occurred the pilot had it at least somewhat under control. Then cam3 shows the impact which seems harder than one would expect with both engines running unless the controls failed again in a way that didn't allow the pull the pilot planned on to finish the landing. For the fellow 135 drivers out there the idea that a new failure mode may have occurred causing the aircraft to roll and then further loss of control is not exactly the warm and fuzzy feeling you want while the ntsb hopefully finds an answer. 

and good points.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5422f825ed915d13710006a9/Eurocopter_EC135_T2__G-IWRC_09-08.pdf

these guys went for a wild ride and truly amazing it didn't end up a smoking hole.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/150932

You had to clink the link in the page to see the whole story.  Here's the valid exerpt worth reading.  The dude looped Airwolf!

According to the pilot's written statement, the flight was returning from a patient drop-off at the Abbott Northwestern Hospital and was en route to STP. The pilot reported that about halfway back to STP he felt a "tick" in the cyclic control in the aft direction. The pilot stated that he switched off the Flight Control System (FCS) to troubleshoot the occurrence and then turned the system back on. The pilot reported that the servo indicators appeared to be in their normal positions. The pilot stated that as the helicopter neared the Minnesota State Capital Building he felt the "tick" again as he turned for a downwind entry to taxiway bravo at STP. The pilot reported that he was around 800-900 feet above ground level (agl) for noise abatement, when the helicopter pitched-up. The pilot reported the following:

"... severe nose high climb attitude. The cyclic stick harded over to the full aft position. I was unable to move any of the flight controls except the pedals. The aircraft continued over, now upside down and diving towards the ground, still at cruise power. Unable to move the cyclic, the aircraft continued this inside loop type of attitude and started up again. Until this point I believe I was trying to manipulate the flight controls normally with one hand on the collective, and my right on the cyclic. I was not strong enough so I tried moving the cyclic with both hands. As about this the cyclic started moving on it's own, and the fight now was trying to keep the controls centered. The aircraft was completely out of control with me having minimal impact on adjusting the flight controls."

"I either told the paramedic or he on his own initiative lowered the collective using both hands. The aircraft then was diving at the ground and it seemed like I was more able to keep it somewhat in a level attitude. I flared with cyclic to arrest the rate of decent and then we ballooned up in pitch. I was trying to place the aircraft in a parking lot when we did this pitch-up. As we climbed up again I saw power lines to my front with a road beyond that had enough room to set the aircraft down. As I tried to raise the collective to go over these wires, the rotor bled off with the low rotor audio and lights. I realized the aircraft was not going to clear the wires, so I jammed full left pedal and placed the helicopter on the roof of a two-story building immediately to my left."

for the link.

from helicopter flying after 53 years and 22,000 hours.

Enjoyed every single minute but surely would not have been amused by something this exotic.  

Had AFCS runaways both simplex and, yes, duplex, and they were frightening but nothing compared to what the EC135 is apparently capable.  Am typed in the EC135, kinda fun but seemed overly complex for its size and mission profiles.  Complex is of course a relative term.

nothing complex about a 135. being "typed" in it you should know this.

Not everyone flies only under FAA.  Might try taking a look around the world's aviation authorities, you will definitely learn a few things.

I know all about them type rating. I'm saying you aren't typed in it because your post makes it obvious.

Got the blinders on.  Narrow stuff.

This is why I have been discussing whether the 2018 AD concerning a SAS/Trim Motor actuator (something like that - not interested in looking it up but it is easily discovered) had been accomplished and/or whether it failed in some way, etc.

Doesn't take much to create a drastic upset in a helicopter.

vs Dauphine

Different animal.