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Msg ID: 2717707 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +2/-4     
Author:Anonymous
1/21/2022 11:47:47 AM

They're scared despite weather being more than 2000 and 5 most days!!!!  They just don't "feel right" when we fly in rain.  Are you serious!?!?!?  I'm not talking about a downpour that reduces visibility either.

Absolutely ridiculous. 

They usually freak out when there's ANY green on the radar and start telling you how "uncomfortable" they are to fly today (i.e., No-Go).  

When you're out there flying, they can't see a town about 10 miles away and start acting all scared and talking about how they can't see such and such... and even when you point out on the moving map how far away things are and the minimums we need (given your area) and how we're still 1-3 miles MORE than is required per the FARs they still act all nervous.

If they're scared to fly in rain, they shouldn't drive to work in the rain.  The dangers are FAR worse there every time on the way to work (hydroplaning, people driving slower in front of you because they can't see, etc.).



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Msg ID: 2717710 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +5/-1     
Author:Works for me
1/21/2022 12:07:47 PM

Reply to: 2717707

Stay in bed and enjoy it



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Msg ID: 2717711 Most that do this are lazy or scared of doing (NT) +1/-0     
Author:Their job. Lack of confidence
1/21/2022 12:10:25 PM

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Msg ID: 2717713 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +1/-3     
Author:Anonymous
1/21/2022 12:17:13 PM

Reply to: 2717707

Maybe it's not the weather, it's probably your skills or lack of them they are scared of?



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Msg ID: 2717746 Exactly. It's him they're afraid of. (NT) +1/-1     
Author:He's too dense to realize it
1/21/2022 3:47:29 PM

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Msg ID: 2717888 I meant they are scared of their own medical +0/-0     
Author:Abilities. It's all on them. No one
1/23/2022 3:24:41 PM

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To help


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Msg ID: 2717715 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +1/-0     
Author::-)
1/21/2022 12:28:15 PM

Reply to: 2717707
Don't take it personally. They are looking for any reason to get out of a flight. You're not going to change their work ethic or their attitude, and that's not your job. I KNOW how frustrating it can be. Only you can decide if putting up with the laziness and the toxic culture many medical "crewmembers bring to the job is worth the cushy schedule and easy flying teat comes with this job. If you've had enough or can't let it roll off, that's okay. This is a great time to be a pilot as far as opportunities out there.


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Msg ID: 2717716 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +2/-1     
Author:De-Briefing Form
1/21/2022 12:39:32 PM

Reply to: 2717707

The most difficult part of this job is realizing we are just like a taxi driver. If the customer does not want to ride don't go. I understand wanting to get the job (mission) done but times are changing. The best thing you can do is to create a flight debriefing form. It will be a pain in the ass, but it needs to be filled out after every flight, wx abort or flight decline. Each crewmember initials the form after you complete your notes and they can add to it if necessary. That way you cover your back and have a record for down the road if the base is under pressure with low flight volume.

Remember we get paid the same either way. Good Luck.



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Msg ID: 2717717 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +7/-0     
Author:Seriously?
1/21/2022 12:48:14 PM

Reply to: 2717716

Good luck getting a crew to initial a form you created on your own without any prior authorization from the hospital or your company. You will be shown the door very quickly. 



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Msg ID: 2717718 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +5/-0     
Author:Have to agree
1/21/2022 12:54:40 PM

Reply to: 2717717

Creating your own form as a cya will quickly make you mia.



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Msg ID: 2717719 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +0/-0     
Author::-)
1/21/2022 12:55:03 PM

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Ummm.... the debrief form he's talking about is an official company form that most companies want to be filled out and signed by all crewmembers after every flight or declination of a flight. It may or may not help you if you ever have to defend yourself. But it sure as heck can't hurt.


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Msg ID: 2717721 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
1/21/2022 12:58:52 PM

Reply to: 2717719

"The best thing you can do is to create a flight debriefing form."

Is this the part you missed in the post? 



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Msg ID: 2717723 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +1/-0     
Author::-)
1/21/2022 1:23:42 PM

Reply to: 2717721
I didn't think so. Does discussing and filling out the company debrief form, printing it, then passing it around for everyone's signature not constitute creating a debrief form? That's what I meant. Sorry I wasn't more clear.


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Msg ID: 2717761 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +3/-1     
Author:XRMH
1/21/2022 5:25:07 PM

Reply to: 2717716

I don't know about things now, I haven't flown HEMS/HAA for well over 10 years.  Back then though, all radio traffic and phone calls with the comm center were recorded.  If I thought the WX was safe to fly but the med crew, or one of the med crew, wanted to turn down the flight, I'd simply say to the comm center we were turning the flight down because the med crew/RN/Medic "declined for WX."  If it was a a unanimous decision I'd say "we."  Boy didn't that cause a stink!  When they complained I'd ask if what I'd said wasn't true and accurate?  You'd be surprised how fast folks started taking safe flights!

Oh, the trouble makers and pot stirrers sure complained and whined about me (behind my back, not to my face), but I didn't care then, or now! 



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Msg ID: 2717889 Oh yes, they fold once you lay the decline on  +0/-0     
Author:Them. They don't like being held
1/23/2022 3:28:31 PM

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Responsible


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Msg ID: 2717720 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +0/-0     
Author:Why do you care
1/21/2022 12:57:00 PM

Reply to: 2717707

Their comfort level comes from the front.  Are you worried they don't trust you?  



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Msg ID: 2717722 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +1/-0     
Author::-)
1/21/2022 1:07:53 PM

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I'm guessing he or she is a newer HAA pilot who's having a hard time adjusting to the cruddy work ethic and toxic culture that many (not all) medical "crewmembers" bring to work. I used to let it get to me as well. Unfortunately, it took awhile for me to get it through my head that it wasn't me they had an issue with. It wasn't the weather or safety. It's simply laziness or lack of caring. To the OP... Don't let it get you all down or mess with your head or screw with your confidence. It's not about you. It's about going along to get along. You're not getting paid by the flight hour. Listen to your "crew"members... decline the flight... go back to sleep. DO remember to document EVERYTHING.


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Msg ID: 2717748 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +1/-1     
Author:Weather for driving and
1/21/2022 3:59:47 PM

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flying are two very different things bro



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Msg ID: 2717752 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +0/-1     
Author:OP
1/21/2022 4:39:42 PM

Reply to: 2717748

I'm talking about weather WELL over 2000 and 5 and there's rain on the windshield.  Not my first rodeo, bud.  

They're literally afraid to fly in almost ANY rain.  It's absolutely crazy.  



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Msg ID: 2717808 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +1/-1     
Author:XRMH
1/22/2022 11:41:05 AM

Reply to: 2717720

Is it "comfort level" or work ethic?   How about the medic I used to work with (and I use that term loosely!) who would bring an Xbox, games and a TV to work and set thim up in his room.  He would get ticked off if we got a call and complain about having to do his job.  He would say, "I didn't take this job to work!"

Again I ask, "comfort level" or work ethic?



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Msg ID: 2717822 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +0/-0     
Author::-)
1/22/2022 3:12:56 PM

Reply to: 2717808
Exactly.


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Msg ID: 2717823 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +0/-0     
Author:beat head against wall if you like but
1/22/2022 3:17:34 PM

Reply to: 2717808

some bases suck and you will not change them. either deal with it or leave. those are the only two choices. 



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Msg ID: 2717724 ha ha +0/-2     
Author:Anonymous
1/21/2022 1:25:34 PM

Reply to: 2717707

you're an idiot and there's just no getting around it



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Msg ID: 2717727 ha ha +0/-1     
Author::-)
1/21/2022 1:28:18 PM

Reply to: 2717724
Okay. Sounds good.


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Msg ID: 2717733 ha ha +4/-1     
Author:He seems rational
1/21/2022 1:49:13 PM

Reply to: 2717724

And intelligent based on his OP. You on the other hand is the one who sounds like an idiot. Idiots like you are spring loaded to attack the messenger, and ignore the message.



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Msg ID: 2717745 That's not my experience with med crew in nearly 10 years of expierience +0/-1     
Author:Sounds like the problem is you
1/21/2022 3:46:39 PM

Reply to: 2717707

They just don't want to fly with YOU.  They're finding reasons not to.



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Msg ID: 2717754 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +1/-1     
Author:if you want to fly 900
1/21/2022 4:51:01 PM

Reply to: 2717707

hours per year then go work for a VFR hospital based program where they will cry if you dont fly in 100 and 1/2 then call your boss and ask why you turned the flight down.  every. single. f'n. time.....  



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Msg ID: 2717755 Ouch +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
1/21/2022 5:02:06 PM

Reply to: 2717754

Yeah, that would suck.  AMC doesn't question your weather turn-downs at all.  They know the medcrew culture is the way it is.  

I was at a base where medcrew minimums were 2000/3 day 2500/5 night.  Never had management question our turndowns.

They didn't cry about the rain, but got REALLY nervous when vis dropped below 5 miles day or 10 miles night.  Acting like a cat in room full of rocking chairs... started talking about places we could land (I'd offer if they wanted to, but said "no- only if it gets worse")



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Msg ID: 2717759 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +2/-2     
Author:XRMH
1/21/2022 5:09:49 PM

Reply to: 2717707

Dude, it's not just the med crews! 

I once had a pilot who tried to turn down a flight at the MORNING shift change because it was raining 60 miles from the receiving hospital.  60 miles away!  BTW, it was light rain and the radar showed the showers slowly moving in the opposite direction from where he was going.  I almost had to push him into the cockpit.....

I had another pilot who was doing a workover shift at our base who told me during the shift change brief that he had turned down a fight.  When I asked him why, he said, "because it was raining at the receiving hospital when the call came in."  It was a 90 minute flight to that hospital.  When I asked him what the weather was supposed to be there when he would have been arriving he said, "he didn't know and didn't care because it was raining when the call came in and he didn't fly in the rain."  He had blond highlights in his brown hair and the rest of us pilots in the program called him "Frosty the No Man!"



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Msg ID: 2717760 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +1/-2     
Author:Yeah
1/21/2022 5:10:50 PM

Reply to: 2717707

children will be children.  Their problem is self awareness absolutely escapes them 100% of the time.  Our comfort level with risk is the opposite of their bleeding heart chicken Schmitt reality.

Is what it is.



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Msg ID: 2717766 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +1/-2     
Author:Must be new
1/21/2022 6:58:39 PM

Reply to: 2717760

Your passengers comfort level with risk is your comfort level of risk.



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Msg ID: 2717827 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +0/-0     
Author:Well
1/22/2022 3:27:45 PM

Reply to: 2717766

that has been handily proven absolutely and completely not true.



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Msg ID: 2717828 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +0/-0     
Author:okay newb
1/22/2022 3:33:52 PM

Reply to: 2717827

make the crews uncofortable and get back to me with your findings lol



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Msg ID: 2717848 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +2/-0     
Author:I am sure
1/22/2022 8:10:42 PM

Reply to: 2717828

All the med crews on your shift are happy to fly with you into bad weather, or at all hours of the morning, because you make them comfortable. What you don't know is what they are saying behind your back.



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Msg ID: 2717856 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +0/-0     
Author:morning
1/22/2022 9:10:39 PM

Reply to: 2717848

are we not supposed to fly then?



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Msg ID: 2717904 Medcrew apparently don't drive their cars when it rains +0/-0     
Author:No
1/23/2022 5:50:36 PM

Reply to: 2717766

They think they are sky gods and the rules do not appy to them.  



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