| Msg ID: 2717686 |
Philly Air Methods Crash +3/-1
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| Author:How about an update?
1/21/2022 9:08:24 AM |
An EC135 basically falls from the sky rumored to be caused by an autopilot or stabilization failure. If true, the issue or mechanical failure should be easy to determine with the technology available to the NTSB/FAA. Normally some sort of urgent release would follow with temporary mitigation directives to ensure a repeat occurrence for the remaining EC135s not sitting in a junk heap. If I were flying or flying in an EC135 I would be very concerned. What the heck is going on? |
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| Msg ID: 2717688 |
Distracted with 5G +1/-0
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| Author:Talk about timing
1/21/2022 9:47:16 AM Reply to: 2717686 |
Like Duke, this thing will drag on for months. Then one of those tipi emails will come out and all will be forgot and forgotten. Me thinks the pilot will retire very wealthy. |
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| Msg ID: 2717692 |
Distracted with 5G +0/-2
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| Author:gofundwho
1/21/2022 10:05:07 AM Reply to: 2717688 |
His gofundme is only at $11,566, so not that rich. |
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| Msg ID: 2717813 |
Distracted with 5G +1/-0
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| Author:there are other sources
1/22/2022 12:56:44 PM Reply to: 2717692 |
of income besides panhandling. |
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| Msg ID: 2717693 |
Philly Air Methods Crash +0/-0
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| Author:I meant to type:
1/21/2022 10:25:33 AM Reply to: 2717686 |
...to ensure a repeat performance does not occur... |
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| Msg ID: 2717708 |
Philly Air Methods Crash +0/-0
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| Author:Interesting....
1/21/2022 11:58:34 AM Reply to: 2717686 |
The preliminary report was out this morning, then removed. As I'm a computer retard, can someone tell me how to post the report from a flash drive???? |
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| Msg ID: 2717709 |
Philly Air Methods Crash +0/-0
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| Author:Never mind...
1/21/2022 12:00:21 PM Reply to: 2717708 |
The prelim report is back on the NTSB page???? |
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| Msg ID: 2717712 |
Philly Air Methods Crash +1/-0
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| Author:former 135 guy
1/21/2022 12:10:35 PM Reply to: 2717686 |
I once flew an EC135 that would occasionally begin a slow roll oscillation that would increase in severtity. I have let it go on until it was alternating between left and right banks of 30 degrees. disengage the SCAS and it would immediately stop. No cautions, warnings or advisories. Maintenance coudln't figure it out. They just threw parts at it. One day they parked a spare next to it and switched out prettymuch every scas component and voila no more intermittent roll issue. However, a while later the spare began doing the same thing. Ive been wondering if this crew encountered the same kind of issue. |
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| Msg ID: 2717734 |
Philly Air Methods Crash +2/-0
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| Author:Sparky
1/21/2022 1:59:27 PM Reply to: 2717712 |
Never heard of SCAS in a EC135??? |
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| Msg ID: 2717758 |
Philly Air Methods Crash +0/-0
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| Author:it's been a while
1/21/2022 5:05:30 PM Reply to: 2717734 |
so it was called SAS |
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| Msg ID: 2717765 |
Philly Air Methods Crash +1/-0
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| Author:If
1/21/2022 6:38:15 PM Reply to: 2717712 |
the roll actuators are identical time in service they can build carbon in the motors identically and start to act up, identically, at X time. Had a roll runaway in lateral on both actuators at the cruise in an AS365 N2 due to it and an identical severe end to end yaw problem in an S76 B model. No clue if relevant to the discussion but if ya haven't heard of the reality there ya go. Not having identical component times is a big deal in ETOPS, or whatever the acronym is these days |
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| Msg ID: 2717866 |
Philly Air Methods Crash +0/-0
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| Author:Extended Twin Overwater
1/23/2022 3:32:36 AM Reply to: 2717765 |
Operations and Procedures? |
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| Msg ID: 2717791 |
Philly Air Methods Crash +3/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
1/22/2022 1:28:26 AM Reply to: 2717686 |
since we haven't heard anything urgent, official or otherwise, it would lead me to believe that whatever it was...it was an isolated issue. that's what I'm going with for now. it'll take the usual number of NTSB years to release the final report but with aircraft data available and survivors to interview, they already know what the issue was and it must not be a fleetwide problem. |
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| Msg ID: 2717802 |
Philly Air Methods Crash +0/-0
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| Author:I agree…
1/22/2022 9:23:20 AM Reply to: 2717791 |
My thoughts as well. The final NTSB investigation may be quite the read. Just have to wait and see. |
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| Msg ID: 2718028 |
Philly Air Methods Crash +1/-0
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| Author:Nodoginfite
1/25/2022 8:56:17 AM Reply to: 2717791 |
And it could also be that a minor malfunction was handled, or over handled by the pilot making things worse. I guess the ntsb will have the answers |
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