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Msg ID: 2716518 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0     
Author:Schlitz69
1/11/2022 1:46:16 PM

Developing. Aircraft down while enroute to CHOP 



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Msg ID: 2716523 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0     
Author:Radar track
1/11/2022 1:56:11 PM

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https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N531LN

 

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Msg ID: 2716531 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0     
Author:Flight radar
1/11/2022 2:15:44 PM

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Msg ID: 2716532 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-1     
Author:Circus Monkey
1/11/2022 2:16:48 PM

Reply to: 2716531

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2022/01/11/drexel-hill-medical-helicopter-crash-delaware-county/

 



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Msg ID: 2716534 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-0     
Author:From ENG ABC6
1/11/2022 2:18:38 PM

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https://6abc.com/

 



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Msg ID: 2716536 Clearly a mechanical/medical emergency +3/-0     
Author:He had to ditch it then and there
1/11/2022 2:23:01 PM

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And they all survived!  



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Msg ID: 2716539 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-11     
Author:Africa Magic
1/11/2022 2:35:32 PM

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Just my opinion by looking at the photo and with no other details, I'm guessing this aircraft hit something either while landing or making an approach. The airframe looks in good condition for a crash. I'm new to EMS and the EC-135 and I'm happy to hear that everyone survived. 



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Msg ID: 2716540 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +19/-3     
Author:Anonymous
1/11/2022 2:42:03 PM

Reply to: 2716539

Well, considering they were still more than 5 miles from CHOP, their destination, I'd say you couldn't be more WRONG.  Appreciate the low effort speculation.



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Msg ID: 2716542 Skids spread and pushed into belly +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
1/11/2022 3:10:30 PM

Reply to: 2716540

ADS-B goes from 1500 feet to nothing...he got down and got down fast.



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Msg ID: 2716575 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0     
Author:Nowhere
1/11/2022 6:30:06 PM

Reply to: 2716539

 near CHOP, relatively speaking.

Hydraulic?  AFCS?  SAS Actuator? Engine Surging?  Electrical?  Heart problem?

Never know until the report comes out.

It'll get unraveled.  Hope the pilot truly get exonerated.  Appears really lucky, perhaps good piloting in the end.



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Msg ID: 2716544 Where are the M/R Blades?... (NT) +0/-0     
Author:...
1/11/2022 3:46:51 PM

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Msg ID: 2716549 Where are the M/R Blades?... +1/-1     
Author:adam
1/11/2022 4:15:22 PM

Reply to: 2716544

Looks like a single engine failure that turned into both engines quitting then an auto to the ground in a hurry. 



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Msg ID: 2716550 Where's the fuel ?? (NT) +1/-1     
Author:Fuel Gauge
1/11/2022 4:18:28 PM

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Msg ID: 2716551 Landing  +0/-3     
Author:Hard
1/11/2022 4:19:55 PM

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Just a hard landing.



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Msg ID: 2716552 Risk completed? +1/-4     
Author:Operational Control
1/11/2022 4:20:55 PM

Reply to: 2716550

I'll bet risk assessment didn't include this



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Msg ID: 2716576 Risk completed? +0/-0     
Author:Nothing
1/11/2022 6:34:04 PM

Reply to: 2716552

 like off beat humor.



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Msg ID: 2716558 Where's the fuel ?? +2/-0     
Author:Witnesses on news
1/11/2022 4:48:14 PM

Reply to: 2716550

Witnesses and police/fire said fuel was pouring from aircraft. 



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Msg ID: 2716561 True... +0/-1     
Author:but...
1/11/2022 5:09:56 PM

Reply to: 2716558

if the transfer pump(s) were accidently turned off you can flame out with a full tank.



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Msg ID: 2716562 except +0/-1     
Author:for this
1/11/2022 5:18:02 PM

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F PUMP AFT and F PUMP FWD

.... "remaining flight time is approx. 30 min with max endurance speed (approximately Vy) or approx. 20 min with max range speed."

 

 

 



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Msg ID: 2716574 except +0/-1     
Author:mech
1/11/2022 6:27:10 PM

Reply to: 2716562

Are the boost pump covers missing? Can see them clearly in vids



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Msg ID: 2717507 except +0/-0     
Author:Yeah
1/19/2022 9:00:43 AM

Reply to: 2716574

And that may lead to other revelations fortunately, or unfortunately.  Considering human factors and oversights are involved in so many accidents this one will have its scrutiny for sure.

Soo glad I got through 55 years of flying without any problems, well, there was this time at band camp.......



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Msg ID: 2716567 True... (NT) +0/-0     
Author:yep
1/11/2022 5:44:33 PM

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Msg ID: 2716602 True... +2/-0     
Author:Pilot
1/11/2022 9:20:30 PM

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Hard to do with 2 caution lights on right in front of you for that 30 minutes..then low fuel light on and not notice.


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Msg ID: 2716604 True... +2/-0     
Author:FYI...
1/11/2022 9:55:17 PM

Reply to: 2716602

there are documented cases were NVG filters "dimmed" the caution and master warning panel lights and made them "unoticeable" in certain ambient lighting. Plus same for the audio from the warning panel as it went off same volume for radios. This is not the first time this has happened but not necessarily the cause here. Just one guess. Since all the MR blades appeared to be sheared at the rotor shaft that would indicate power from at least one engine.



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Msg ID: 2716624 FYI FYI +2/-0     
Author:oooookay
1/12/2022 6:00:48 AM

Reply to: 2716604

.. if you think a guy flew almost an hour at noon with the NVG lighting or filters on... 



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Msg ID: 2716634 FYI FYI +0/-0     
Author:not quite
1/12/2022 8:13:35 AM

Reply to: 2716624
older nvg installs had physical filters installed either externally or internally. they dont turn off nor was there nvg lighting like the newer installs. in other words the filters were always "on". and the aircraft s/n fits the older installs.


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Msg ID: 2716672 Just..wow. (NT) +1/-0     
Author:You're doubling down?
1/12/2022 10:11:37 AM

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Msg ID: 2717508 True... +0/-0     
Author:I agree
1/19/2022 9:05:29 AM

Reply to: 2716604

ref: power from at least one engine, possibly both.  

Whatever precipitated this accident I suspect the pilot was very frightened and making quick, not necessarily prudent, decisions.   But, that's the way it happens for all of us so let's make sure to have a heart and recognize he flew it to a relatively successful conclusion, irrespective of what the final tally comes about as causation.

If such an event occurs to any of us we would certainly hope and actually require others to be sympathetic and helpful.

Whadayasays?



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Msg ID: 2716900 Where's the fuel ?? +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
1/13/2022 2:37:15 PM

Reply to: 2716558


Clearly seen pouring out of the helicopter as a crew member climbed out carrying the baby.



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Msg ID: 2717510 Where's the fuel ?? +0/-0     
Author:Pouring off
1/19/2022 9:06:29 AM

Reply to: 2716900

the broken step bar on to the ground, literally pouring.



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Msg ID: 2716554 maybe... +0/-0     
Author:but...
1/11/2022 4:34:32 PM

Reply to: 2716549

the blades aren't near the wreck and the blade cuffs and flex beams seem to be cut pretty clean. That wouldn't happen with auto RPM. Will be interesting.



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Msg ID: 2716557 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +3/-0     
Author:Thankfully
1/11/2022 4:45:28 PM

Reply to: 2716518
It's been a long time since an EMS crash, and a good thing they all got out of this one. Now start the twins discussion.


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Msg ID: 2716563 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +4/-0     
Author:TurinSonOfHurin
1/11/2022 5:19:03 PM

Reply to: 2716557

Bravo to the pilot, Pretty dense area to try and ride that thing in



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Msg ID: 2716566 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +3/-0     
Author:Let’s hold
1/11/2022 5:43:48 PM

Reply to: 2716563

The bravos until we find out if he caused the crash. Superior judgement should always prevent the need for superior skill, or luck.



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Msg ID: 2716569 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +3/-2     
Author:Anonymous
1/11/2022 5:46:13 PM

Reply to: 2716566

Like the July 2018EC135 crash in Chicago. He was a hero until the report revealed he oversped & blew up both engines



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Msg ID: 2716577 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-0     
Author:Yes
1/11/2022 6:37:35 PM

Reply to: 2716569

  and training for dealing with unstable engines is one area that is, in my opinion, lacking.



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Msg ID: 2716701 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-0     
Author:Couldn’t
1/12/2022 11:32:40 AM

Reply to: 2716577

  be a more true statement.  Engine handling is not very specifically taught as a completely separate subject.  Far more complicated than it appears.



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Msg ID: 2716564 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0     
Author:Hurin son of Turin
1/11/2022 5:26:36 PM

Reply to: 2716518

https://i.redd.it/vqnynuaor3b81.jpg

 

 

Amazing seeing that head pop out



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Msg ID: 2716565 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-5     
Author:Hard landing
1/11/2022 5:29:37 PM

Reply to: 2716518

Looks like a hard landing!



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Msg ID: 2716570 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County (NT) +0/-2     
Author:P2+ AMC
1/11/2022 5:46:16 PM

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Msg ID: 2716581 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-2     
Author:135 driver
1/11/2022 7:13:05 PM

Reply to: 2716570

Curious to see what happened. The Duke crash comes to mind given a potential dual engine failure. 



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Msg ID: 2716587 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-5     
Author:Cheap
1/11/2022 7:38:42 PM

Reply to: 2716581

If It was an engine problem I hope the good engine wasn’t shut down.At least they all survived.Are the throttles on the collective or somewhere else?



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Msg ID: 2716591 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +5/-1     
Author:Anonymous
1/11/2022 7:52:41 PM

Reply to: 2716587

EC 135 has two switches, one for each engine, on the instrument panel, off, idle, and fly positions. The collective also has twist grips for each engine that you can use for FADEC failures or emergencies, but they're not used during normal operations. 



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Msg ID: 2716625 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0     
Author:Yoyo
1/12/2022 6:37:28 AM

Reply to: 2716581

Except Duke was a single engine failure. The second engine was not running due to non mechanical failures



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Msg ID: 2716703 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-0     
Author:Take
1/12/2022 11:35:14 AM

Reply to: 2716581

 a peek at some of the videos.  The #2 engine was still powered with the machine on its side - least that's what a couple videos seem to portray.



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Msg ID: 2717066 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0     
Author:Yeup
1/14/2022 6:40:54 PM

Reply to: 2716703

#2 still running until somehow it wasn't.  That was clear.



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Msg ID: 2716590 The pilot crashed due complications of COVID (NT) +3/-3     
Author:and not being Booster’ed
1/11/2022 7:52:36 PM

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Msg ID: 2716605 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +2/-2     
Author:Yeah but...
1/11/2022 10:05:54 PM

Reply to: 2716518

Who wore it better?




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Msg ID: 2716606 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0     
Author:Jojo21
1/11/2022 10:28:09 PM

Reply to: 2716605

https://youtu.be/4He8rDzIUAc



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Msg ID: 2716635 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +2/-0     
Author:NTSB
1/12/2022 8:25:45 AM

Reply to: 2716606

After this video and looking at the Fenestron non-damage I will put my money on tail drive failure.

 

Good job pilot...



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Msg ID: 2716692 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +2/-0     
Author:Yoyo
1/12/2022 11:19:38 AM

Reply to: 2716606

Found the house across the street from the ring doorbell video. About 0.6 mile from the ring doorbell house to the church (straight-line)



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Msg ID: 2716608 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-0     
Author:cheap
1/11/2022 10:31:40 PM

Reply to: 2716605

Top left.

 



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Msg ID: 2716655 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-1     
Author:Anony
1/12/2022 9:17:23 AM

Reply to: 2716608

The sound in the video has a massive over speed and you can clearly hear the fenestron being driven as well. 



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Msg ID: 2716684 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0     
Author:Retired
1/12/2022 10:52:43 AM

Reply to: 2716655

Doorbell cameras have notorious poor resolution and the frame rate isn't fast enough to ascertain much more than altitude over a point in space or speed over the ground. Was there a puff of smoke in the door bell pictures ? 



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Msg ID: 2716718 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Really?
1/12/2022 12:27:22 PM

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Msg ID: 2716723 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0     
Author:Rocky
1/12/2022 1:04:05 PM

Reply to: 2716518

Great overhead perspective.  Miraculous they didn't hit any of the wires in that intersection.

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/2022/01/11/drone-shows-helicopter-crashed-church-drexel-hill-pa/9174976002/



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Msg ID: 2716898 LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
1/13/2022 2:25:17 PM

Reply to: 2716723

https://youtu.be/BOBJciaZVas    





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