Msg ID:
2716518 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0
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Author:Schlitz69
1/11/2022 1:46:16 PM
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Developing. Aircraft down while enroute to CHOP |
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Msg ID:
2716523 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0
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Author:Radar track
1/11/2022 1:56:11 PM
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https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N531LN
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Msg ID:
2716534 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-0
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Author:From ENG ABC6
1/11/2022 2:18:38 PM
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https://6abc.com/
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Msg ID:
2716536 |
Clearly a mechanical/medical emergency +3/-0
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Author:He had to ditch it then and there
1/11/2022 2:23:01 PM
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And they all survived! |
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Msg ID:
2716539 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-11
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Author:Africa Magic
1/11/2022 2:35:32 PM
Reply to: 2716518
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Just my opinion by looking at the photo and with no other details, I'm guessing this aircraft hit something either while landing or making an approach. The airframe looks in good condition for a crash. I'm new to EMS and the EC-135 and I'm happy to hear that everyone survived. |
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2716540 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +19/-3
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Author:Anonymous
1/11/2022 2:42:03 PM
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Well, considering they were still more than 5 miles from CHOP, their destination, I'd say you couldn't be more WRONG. Appreciate the low effort speculation. |
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Msg ID:
2716542 |
Skids spread and pushed into belly +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
1/11/2022 3:10:30 PM
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ADS-B goes from 1500 feet to nothing...he got down and got down fast. |
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Msg ID:
2716575 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0
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Author:Nowhere
1/11/2022 6:30:06 PM
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near CHOP, relatively speaking.
Hydraulic? AFCS? SAS Actuator? Engine Surging? Electrical? Heart problem?
Never know until the report comes out.
It'll get unraveled. Hope the pilot truly get exonerated. Appears really lucky, perhaps good piloting in the end. |
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Msg ID:
2716544 |
Where are the M/R Blades?... (NT) +0/-0
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Author:...
1/11/2022 3:46:51 PM
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Msg ID:
2716549 |
Where are the M/R Blades?... +1/-1
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Author:adam
1/11/2022 4:15:22 PM
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Looks like a single engine failure that turned into both engines quitting then an auto to the ground in a hurry. |
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Msg ID:
2716550 |
Where's the fuel ?? (NT) +1/-1
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Author:Fuel Gauge
1/11/2022 4:18:28 PM
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Msg ID:
2716551 |
Landing +0/-3
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Author:Hard
1/11/2022 4:19:55 PM
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Just a hard landing. |
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Msg ID:
2716552 |
Risk completed? +1/-4
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Author:Operational Control
1/11/2022 4:20:55 PM
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I'll bet risk assessment didn't include this |
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Msg ID:
2716576 |
Risk completed? +0/-0
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Author:Nothing
1/11/2022 6:34:04 PM
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like off beat humor. |
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Msg ID:
2716558 |
Where's the fuel ?? +2/-0
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Author:Witnesses on news
1/11/2022 4:48:14 PM
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Witnesses and police/fire said fuel was pouring from aircraft. |
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Msg ID:
2716561 |
True... +0/-1
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Author:but...
1/11/2022 5:09:56 PM
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if the transfer pump(s) were accidently turned off you can flame out with a full tank. |
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Msg ID:
2716562 |
except +0/-1
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Author:for this
1/11/2022 5:18:02 PM
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F PUMP AFT and F PUMP FWD
.... "remaining flight time is approx. 30 min with max endurance speed (approximately Vy) or approx. 20 min with max range speed."
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Msg ID:
2716574 |
except +0/-1
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Author:mech
1/11/2022 6:27:10 PM
Reply to: 2716562
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Are the boost pump covers missing? Can see them clearly in vids |
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Msg ID:
2717507 |
except +0/-0
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Author:Yeah
1/19/2022 9:00:43 AM
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And that may lead to other revelations fortunately, or unfortunately. Considering human factors and oversights are involved in so many accidents this one will have its scrutiny for sure.
Soo glad I got through 55 years of flying without any problems, well, there was this time at band camp....... |
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Msg ID:
2716567 |
True... (NT) +0/-0
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Author:yep
1/11/2022 5:44:33 PM
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Msg ID:
2716602 |
True... +2/-0
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Author:Pilot
1/11/2022 9:20:30 PM
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Hard to do with 2 caution lights on right in front of you for that 30 minutes..then low fuel light on and not notice. |
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Msg ID:
2716604 |
True... +2/-0
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Author:FYI...
1/11/2022 9:55:17 PM
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there are documented cases were NVG filters "dimmed" the caution and master warning panel lights and made them "unoticeable" in certain ambient lighting. Plus same for the audio from the warning panel as it went off same volume for radios. This is not the first time this has happened but not necessarily the cause here. Just one guess. Since all the MR blades appeared to be sheared at the rotor shaft that would indicate power from at least one engine. |
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Msg ID:
2716624 |
FYI FYI +2/-0
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Author:oooookay
1/12/2022 6:00:48 AM
Reply to: 2716604
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.. if you think a guy flew almost an hour at noon with the NVG lighting or filters on... |
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Msg ID:
2716634 |
FYI FYI +0/-0
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Author:not quite
1/12/2022 8:13:35 AM
Reply to: 2716624
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older nvg installs had physical filters installed either externally or internally. they dont turn off nor was there nvg lighting like the newer installs. in other words the filters were always "on". and the aircraft s/n fits the older installs. |
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Msg ID:
2716672 |
Just..wow. (NT) +1/-0
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Author:You're doubling down?
1/12/2022 10:11:37 AM
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Msg ID:
2717508 |
True... +0/-0
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Author:I agree
1/19/2022 9:05:29 AM
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ref: power from at least one engine, possibly both.
Whatever precipitated this accident I suspect the pilot was very frightened and making quick, not necessarily prudent, decisions. But, that's the way it happens for all of us so let's make sure to have a heart and recognize he flew it to a relatively successful conclusion, irrespective of what the final tally comes about as causation.
If such an event occurs to any of us we would certainly hope and actually require others to be sympathetic and helpful.
Whadayasays? |
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Msg ID:
2716900 |
Where's the fuel ?? +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
1/13/2022 2:37:15 PM
Reply to: 2716558
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Clearly seen pouring out of the helicopter as a crew member climbed out carrying the baby. |
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Msg ID:
2717510 |
Where's the fuel ?? +0/-0
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Author:Pouring off
1/19/2022 9:06:29 AM
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the broken step bar on to the ground, literally pouring. |
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Msg ID:
2716554 |
maybe... +0/-0
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Author:but...
1/11/2022 4:34:32 PM
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the blades aren't near the wreck and the blade cuffs and flex beams seem to be cut pretty clean. That wouldn't happen with auto RPM. Will be interesting. |
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Msg ID:
2716557 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +3/-0
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Author:Thankfully
1/11/2022 4:45:28 PM
Reply to: 2716518
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It's been a long time since an EMS crash, and a good thing they all got out of this one.
Now start the twins discussion. |
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Msg ID:
2716563 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +4/-0
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Author:TurinSonOfHurin
1/11/2022 5:19:03 PM
Reply to: 2716557
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Bravo to the pilot, Pretty dense area to try and ride that thing in |
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Msg ID:
2716566 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +3/-0
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Author:Let’s hold
1/11/2022 5:43:48 PM
Reply to: 2716563
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The bravos until we find out if he caused the crash. Superior judgement should always prevent the need for superior skill, or luck. |
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Msg ID:
2716569 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +3/-2
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Author:Anonymous
1/11/2022 5:46:13 PM
Reply to: 2716566
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Like the July 2018EC135 crash in Chicago. He was a hero until the report revealed he oversped & blew up both engines |
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Msg ID:
2716577 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-0
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Author:Yes
1/11/2022 6:37:35 PM
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and training for dealing with unstable engines is one area that is, in my opinion, lacking. |
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Msg ID:
2716701 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-0
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Author:Couldn’t
1/12/2022 11:32:40 AM
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be a more true statement. Engine handling is not very specifically taught as a completely separate subject. Far more complicated than it appears. |
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Msg ID:
2716564 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0
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Author:Hurin son of Turin
1/11/2022 5:26:36 PM
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https://i.redd.it/vqnynuaor3b81.jpg
Amazing seeing that head pop out |
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Msg ID:
2716565 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-5
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Author:Hard landing
1/11/2022 5:29:37 PM
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Looks like a hard landing! |
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Msg ID:
2716570 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County (NT) +0/-2
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Author:P2+ AMC
1/11/2022 5:46:16 PM
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Msg ID:
2716581 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-2
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Author:135 driver
1/11/2022 7:13:05 PM
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Curious to see what happened. The Duke crash comes to mind given a potential dual engine failure. |
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Msg ID:
2716587 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-5
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Author:Cheap
1/11/2022 7:38:42 PM
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If It was an engine problem I hope the good engine wasn’t shut down.At least they all survived.Are the throttles on the collective or somewhere else? |
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Msg ID:
2716591 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +5/-1
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Author:Anonymous
1/11/2022 7:52:41 PM
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EC 135 has two switches, one for each engine, on the instrument panel, off, idle, and fly positions. The collective also has twist grips for each engine that you can use for FADEC failures or emergencies, but they're not used during normal operations. |
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Msg ID:
2716625 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0
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Author:Yoyo
1/12/2022 6:37:28 AM
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Except Duke was a single engine failure. The second engine was not running due to non mechanical failures |
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Msg ID:
2716703 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-0
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Author:Take
1/12/2022 11:35:14 AM
Reply to: 2716581
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a peek at some of the videos. The #2 engine was still powered with the machine on its side - least that's what a couple videos seem to portray. |
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Msg ID:
2717066 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0
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Author:Yeup
1/14/2022 6:40:54 PM
Reply to: 2716703
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#2 still running until somehow it wasn't. That was clear. |
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Msg ID:
2716590 |
The pilot crashed due complications of COVID (NT) +3/-3
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Author:and not being Booster’ed
1/11/2022 7:52:36 PM
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Msg ID:
2716605 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +2/-2
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Author:Yeah but...
1/11/2022 10:05:54 PM
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Who wore it better?
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Msg ID:
2716606 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0
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Author:Jojo21
1/11/2022 10:28:09 PM
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https://youtu.be/4He8rDzIUAc |
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Msg ID:
2716635 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +2/-0
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Author:NTSB
1/12/2022 8:25:45 AM
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After this video and looking at the Fenestron non-damage I will put my money on tail drive failure.
Good job pilot... |
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Msg ID:
2716608 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-0
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Author:cheap
1/11/2022 10:31:40 PM
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Top left.
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Msg ID:
2716655 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +1/-1
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Author:Anony
1/12/2022 9:17:23 AM
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The sound in the video has a massive over speed and you can clearly hear the fenestron being driven as well. |
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Msg ID:
2716684 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0
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Author:Retired
1/12/2022 10:52:43 AM
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Doorbell cameras have notorious poor resolution and the frame rate isn't fast enough to ascertain much more than altitude over a point in space or speed over the ground. Was there a puff of smoke in the door bell pictures ? |
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Msg ID:
2716718 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Really?
1/12/2022 12:27:22 PM
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Msg ID:
2716723 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0
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Author:Rocky
1/12/2022 1:04:05 PM
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Great overhead perspective. Miraculous they didn't hit any of the wires in that intersection.
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/2022/01/11/drone-shows-helicopter-crashed-church-drexel-hill-pa/9174976002/ |
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Msg ID:
2716898 |
LifeNet 8-1 down in Delaware County +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
1/13/2022 2:25:17 PM
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https://youtu.be/BOBJciaZVas
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