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Msg ID: 2713501 Age discrimination and diversity +5/-1     
Author:Overqualified
12/13/2021 10:11:23 PM
Riddle me the logic why you would not hire the most qualified pilot in the room. Go....


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Msg ID: 2713502 Age discrimination and diversity (NT) +2/-1     
Author:Ego????!
12/13/2021 10:19:35 PM

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Msg ID: 2713503 Age discrimination and diversity +3/-2     
Author:Because you’ve never hired anyone
12/13/2021 10:56:24 PM

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You'll never understand...it's not just 'most' qualified...the guy hiring has to want to work with you.



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Msg ID: 2713506 Age discrimination and diversity +12/-1     
Author:B&W
12/14/2021 12:01:56 AM

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It's not the most qualified. It's the minimum qualified for minimum wage. Most qualified demands maximum pay. Cuts into the corporate profit and executive bonuses.



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Msg ID: 2713588 Age discrimination and diversity +0/-0     
Author:Depends
12/14/2021 1:23:46 PM

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 on what company ur talking about.  Solid corporate jobs are usually filled with good pilots who need good compensation in turn to provide the best the individual has both on and off the flight duty roster.



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Msg ID: 2713512 Age discrimination and diversity +5/-1     
Author:we hire bottom 1/3 nowadays
12/14/2021 1:41:58 AM

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top 2/3 of the resume pile is too much $$. cheapest is best.



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Msg ID: 2713517 Age discrimination and diversity +3/-4     
Author:Hiring mgr
12/14/2021 7:27:33 AM

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What is your definition of most qualified? Hours? I've seen plenty of 20 and 25,000 hour helicopter pilots kill themselves through poor decision making. I will always choose the most qualified pilot for the job. But the primary deciding factor is attitude. I reject more than half of the pilots a interview because of attitude. That percentage seems to grow larger with higher time pilots. Many have bad habits, And it's easier to start from a 5000 hour pilot who is still receptive than 20,000 our pilot with bad habits that is rigid. Furthermore, there is at least a prospect that they will work for you for five or 10 years And possibly become a critical part of the company's org structure. How much chance of that if you hire a pilot who is in his late 60s. Don't get me wrong I've hired plenty of guys that age. There's a time when I need their talent for a year or two but there's also a time when I'm looking towards the future of the company 5 to 10 years down the road.



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Msg ID: 2713518 No, U have not seen ‘plenty of 25k hour pilots’ +2/-1     
Author:Not in helicopters, you haven’t
12/14/2021 7:37:01 AM

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  25K hour helicopter pilots are few and far between, and you sure haven't encountered any.

Zed

 



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Msg ID: 2713520 No, U have not seen ‘plenty of 25k hour pilots’ +2/-4     
Author:Hiring mgr
12/14/2021 7:49:59 AM

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Zed,

Seven of my best friends retired between 21k and 26k.

Two of them had accidents after 23k. One fatal.

I'm not saying they're more likely to have accidents. I'm just saying they're not immune.



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Msg ID: 2713530 Yea, flying a pencil (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Wink wink
12/14/2021 8:31:21 AM

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Msg ID: 2713537 EGO, EGO  +0/-6     
Author:and YOU WOULD BE
12/14/2021 8:54:56 AM

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the kind of pilot to walk into a room full of pilots and say "YEAH EVERYONE, I AM A PILOT AND PROBABLY BETTER THAN YOU, BECAUSE I WENT TO RUCKER"



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Msg ID: 2713902 No, U have not seen ‘plenty of 25k hour pilots’ +1/-0     
Author:Old School
12/17/2021 2:30:45 AM

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Hard to imagine very many 25,000 hr helicopter pilots looking for work, most are retired by that time. Retired 4 years ago at age 70 with 28,000 hrs total, (25,000 hrs helicopter), mostly all heavy lift time and accident free ( except for a transmission failure in a Chinook in Vietnam) Have not been near a helicopter since, nor have any desire to. One of my coworkers retired at the same time with 31,000 Helicopter hours, also a Vietnam Veteran...RIP Vern.

 

 



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Msg ID: 2714175 No, U have not seen ‘plenty of 25k hour pilots’ +0/-0     
Author:Hiring manager
12/19/2021 9:07:25 AM

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Vern H.? Or Vern S. Or Vern A?. All three were Vietnam vets 20 K plus. I used to fly with Vern H. I met Vern S and Vern A on the job a few times. I had not heard that any passed away.



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Msg ID: 2714201 No, U have not seen ‘plenty of 25k hour pilots’ +0/-0     
Author:Old School
12/19/2021 2:02:14 PM

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Vern S, (RMH and EAC)



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Msg ID: 2713573 Age discrimination and diversity +4/-0     
Author:not my definition
12/14/2021 12:09:34 PM

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use your definition.

the point is that you don't get to even consider that top 2/3 because they won't work for the compensation you offer. so you get to choose from the most qualified of what's left.

cheapest is best.



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Msg ID: 2713602 Age discrimination and diversity +4/-1     
Author:welcome to today's world
12/14/2021 3:23:27 PM

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Want a government contract? You better have every ethnic group on hand and documented. Doesn't matter about qualifications.



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Msg ID: 2713631 Age discrimination and diversity +0/-3     
Author:Former Hiring MGR
12/15/2021 5:51:01 AM

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We hired a guy in his sixties.  Took 3x the amount of time to teach a younger pilot how to use the GPS.  His first EMS mission, he decided not to use the GPS and flew in the wrong direction after dropping the crew off at the hospital and landed at a miltary base by mistake.  He was held at gunpoint and taken into custody until the next morning.  The crew had no idea where he was.  It was finally sorted out and he was gone a week later.  I am not saying all older pilots are tech challenged, but most are set in their ways and it if it is a choice and I was a pilot hiring manager, I would rather hire a lower maintenance person.



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Msg ID: 2713646 Age discrimination and diversity +0/-0     
Author:lol sure
12/15/2021 8:31:10 AM

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a pilot in his sixties that hasn't seen and used every GPS made?

"The crew had no idea where he was!" 

"Held at gunpoint and arrested!"

lol you moron



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Msg ID: 2713674 Age discrimination and diversity +1/-0     
Author:Try it for yourself
12/15/2021 10:24:07 AM

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Land on any military field unannounced and see what happens. There will be guns and there will be arrests. 



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