So I hear the company is going to start some kind of program for the med crews on what to do if a pilot becomes incapacitated. Since there is always only one set of flight controls when the med crew is on board, how is this supposed to work. They may be able to set up the auto pilot but that only would prolong the inevitable as the auto pilot decouples below v mini. I'm just wondering what they're going to teach them to do after that point. I don't know if I would be able to set it down safely from the copilot seat using the pilot side controls. Possibly. This training can't hurt I guess but I really don't think it will make any difference. Has this been tried anywhere else? I know AEL had some kind of thing but in a 407, 206 or Astar, you are probably screwed if the pilot keels over unless you're only 10 feet off the ground. In cruise, you're dead.

Pilot? He is probably healthier than you.

so many accidents caused by pilot incapacitation after suffering a stroke.  The NTSB data base is just filled with them.....oh wait.....

nevermind.

what the hell you talking about because one through 4 make zero sense bro. maybe it's supposed to be funny.

and was funny i think the bro thing is affecting any intelligence you may have had

been tried many times.

Med crews get only more full of their magnificence and quickly assume they have the left seat role mastered for all eternity.

Go figure from there.

so the med crews were able to control the helicopter from the opposite side and land it? if so, great.

Story as you go, and then wait wut?

Well in theory its a great idea....  Pilot has a major issues...  crew from left sets up auto pilot and then some how someway gets the aircraf low enought to crash and they get out....   

In an airplane i can see this working... but a helicopter .. not so much..

EMS configures 407...  how do they climb around the post and even get to an autopilot...  Astar...  guess they eject the pilot out the door and he takes the cyclic with him.  

Not realistic on any level.  

ask "the company"?

I really don't care that much.

I took some Helicopter training so I could land one in a emergency. I have practiced steping out on the skid with my pilot and pulling him from the helicopter then climbing in the seat and landing. Not a problem. 

For Your Eyes Only, darlin "Bond" 

There is history.  Med crew actually helped get an aircraft under control and help the pilot get enough wits about himself to land the aircraft.  So yea, it may not happen to you, but this pilot owes his life to "gasp" a paramedic.  

we don't wear parachutes in a helicopter....if you need one, the odds that you can use it are slim to none.

The same with pilot incapacitation...waste of time.  The only one I'm aware of the pilot fell asleep and rolled inverted...I don't think engaging the autopilot would have helped.

If the pilot kills you, odds are he's awake and working at it.

you aren't saying the medic did anything other that talk to the pilot. That's not what this is about.

so who does the "gasp" paramedic owe his life to? or did he really land the helicopter? hmm...the rest of the story.

Show them where the fuel gauge is and tell them to hope for a zero reading,

Depends a lot on aircraft, any aircraft without an autopilot or basic SAS if I go unconscious its a lawn dart in seconds.  On our EC135 we have at least shown them to engage heading/ALT hold, make sure collective is at 8 on the FLI and then use the SAT phone to call dispatch.  The goal being someone gets the call patched to another company pilot who can help them down by loading and having the autopilot fly an ILS/LPV approach.  When the aircraft switches to ALT hold at the runway, lower the collective and as the aircraft starts to slow it will eventually fall through 65', as ground contact is about to occur switch both engine to off and hold on.  Probably going to slide off the runway and roll over and be a very dramatic crash but there is a chance you might live......maybe....

Thats about all you can hope for but I tell them if I go you are pretty much done for.  Autopilot is always on for me once above 60kts and I only kick it off 2 miles out so odd are if I go unconscious the autopilot is already on.

the pilot was not incapacitated. He was concious the entire time. He landed the helicopter. They claim the Helisas saved the day but I can say withh 99% certainty he was not coupled to it. The Helisas will not fly a continuous turn without turning the heading bug before rollout. No way was this happening. The paramedic said he was moving the cyclic which probably happened by highly doubtful it had any effect on the outcome. The whole story was pure AEL PR/marketing bullsh*t. 

If anybody has figured out how to turn a near tragedy into "we saved the day with our high tech 206!" it would be AEL.

BTW, the helisas ain't cheap and they deserve credit for installing it in their aircraft. 

I guess you have to told the NTSB only does accident reports on accidents.

some years back, a 206.

The guy in back held the pilot upright, clear of the controls, left seat flew the aircraft into a somewhat controlled crash. Pilot and back seat pax survived, left seat pax killed.

Airevac had a pilot die so the med crew had to land the helicopter. They rolled out training to all AMGH so all of us can learn how to land the helicopter if the pilot dies.

I'm interested to hear what the training consists of.

It keeps them from screaming if you give them hope and busy work.

you're incapacitated 

If we are looking for answers, doesn't Cirrus have some form of automatic Descent and Land system in place?

Maybe its not feasible for a helicopter but ???

crashing in bad weather kills HEMS crews, not pilot incapacitation. 

clowns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN5hXeR8mz4

Also shows a new method for wheelchair operations integrated into HAA!

Said his helicopter pilot was one of his least useful employees. At least we are more useful than HR folks.

Just give the pilot a jab of one of those goodies from your goody bag.

Some of the med crew members here think they're better pilots than the real pilots anyway.  Don't know what they're worried about.....