Click here to close
New Message Alert
List Entire Thread
Msg ID: 2710659 Does anyone get paid enough money to fly "VFR" in weather that is one inch +2/-1     
Author:less than regulatory minimums?
11/15/2021 5:44:36 AM

Just ask your supervisor for written permission via text or e-mail to fly VFR in weather that is less than FAA mandated minimums.  You'll be waiting a long time.

"You could've got there" is a common refrain. "If I had written permission to fly below minimums, I easily could've made it" should be the response.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710660 Does anyone get paid enough money to fly "VFR" in weather that is one inch +0/-0     
Author:I don’t know where you work but
11/15/2021 9:11:48 AM

Reply to: 2710659

this is not common.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710661 Does anyone get paid enough money to fly "VFR" in weather that is one inch +1/-2     
Author:If you’re getting pressured to fly
11/15/2021 9:13:45 AM

Reply to: 2710660

go somewhere else because there's nothing illegal about it. Quit crying and be a man.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710670 That depends. +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
11/15/2021 10:19:05 AM

Reply to: 2710661

Being pressured to fly in weather that is above minimums shouldn't have to happen.

Being pressured to fly in weather that is below minimums shouldn't happen. In this case, it's a safe bet that investigators would take a dim view of pressure to fly. That's where getting it in writing comes in. It prevents post-mishap backpedaling as well as chameleon leadership. Writing gives attorneys something to work with. Legality is ultimately for the courts to decide.

Chameleon leadership is when a supervisor gets to say, "I didn't know he (or she) was taking such risks" after pressuring them to do it in the first place.

I agree with you that people shouldn't work at such places. Only the angle is different. A prospective employee should do due diligence before taking a job at a irreputable company. He (or she) should not wait until they are there for a real schooling. When bad-mouthing a company is limited to onsies and twosies, it can be disregarded. When an entire army of former and current employees bad-mouth it, there's probably substance there.

 



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710662 Does anyone get paid enough money to fly "VFR" in weather that is one inch +3/-1     
Author:Mel
11/15/2021 9:28:49 AM

Reply to: 2710659

I just tell them "You are paying me to follow the GOM. I am more than willing to violate that particular document but I'll cost a little more."



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710663 Does anyone get paid enough money to fly "VFR" in weather that is one inch +0/-3     
Author:The minimums are not in the GOM
11/15/2021 9:33:28 AM

Reply to: 2710662

They are a FAR. Any company that tries to get you to fly in below minimum weather would also probably not hesitate to fire you and try to find somebody that will. Come up with all the snappy answers you want.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710669 Does anyone get paid enough money to fly "VFR" in weather that is one inch +0/-0     
Author:Emser
11/15/2021 10:07:57 AM

Reply to: 2710663

Depends on the company. Our GOM lists weather minimums for VFR aircraft that are above 135.609. So in our case we have to follow the GOM.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710682 Does anyone get paid enough money to fly "VFR" in weather that is one inch +0/-0     
Author:What now?
11/15/2021 2:00:20 PM

Reply to: 2710659

I don't get paid enough to fly IFR when it is one inch. >300' and 1/2 mile or i'm not going.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710693 What now? +0/-1     
Author: It Depends
11/15/2021 2:59:36 PM

Reply to: 2710682

If you were hired as an IFR pilot, and you won't fly when you have the minimums, you should consider another job.

300 and 1/2 is arbitrary. Sometimes it's above approach minimums. Sometimes it's not.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710694 What now? +0/-0     
Author: It Depends
11/15/2021 2:59:37 PM

Reply to: 2710682

If you were hired as an IFR pilot, and you won't fly when you have the minimums, you should consider another job.

300 and 1/2 is arbitrary. Sometimes it's above approach minimums. Sometimes it's not.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710695 Does anyone get paid enough money to fly "VFR" in weather that is one inch +1/-1     
Author:Flew helicopters
11/15/2021 3:27:57 PM

Reply to: 2710659

1963 to 2017.  I know, all the chatter, but, I loved it.  Always some other type of flying or machine to operate in positions all over the world. And, like a drone video, it was me on the tip of the spear, so to speak. 

If I had continued with the airline focus adopted early on I'd be darned familiar with a whole lot of runways and airports - woo hoo, eh?  Instead I got to live with a whole lot of different cultures all over the world.  Easy?  Depends on one's attitude.

Minimums?  Always flew to the regulatory minimums and never heard anything more than a few ignorant rants of very dumb management types with whom I had zero concern.  If logically cornered it was a straight forward response concerning the fact if the loud mouthed character in front of me kept it up the situation would be resolved by the company and, definitely, regulatory agencies involved.  

Big deal is put out the ignorant chatter by letting the morons in management behaving badly just utilize their own imagination as to what such an approach might mean to their future.  

Never, ever, give up the technicals of the approach you will utilize.  Have no fear and you a comfortable career will be yours, comfortable by helicopter standards anyway.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710710 Does anyone get paid enough money to fly "VFR" in weather that is one inch +1/-0     
Author:In other
11/15/2021 5:39:58 PM

Reply to: 2710695

 words ignore them, as much as possible, eh?



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710703 When I got hired by the regional, it was for only $26,000 a year (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Regional Captains topped out at $86,000
11/15/2021 3:53:49 PM

Reply to: 2710659


Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710712 When I got hired by the regional, it was for only $26,000 a year +0/-1     
Author:that's nice but
11/15/2021 5:41:42 PM

Reply to: 2710703

who gives a sh*t



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710716 Does anyone get paid enough money to fly  +0/-0     
Author:Paid utility
11/15/2021 5:51:33 PM

Reply to: 2710659
Yes. I do get paid. But I usually only fly part 91 in G airspace. Plenty of days start and end SVFR at a D airspace.


Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710723 2 Pieces of Free Advice (and worth every penny) +4/-0     
Author:The Sage Advice-Giver
11/15/2021 6:54:31 PM

Reply to: 2710659

They'll never come right out and tell you to fly in below-miniums weather.  And they'd never put it in writing even if they did say it.  It's more insidious.  It's the old, "You know....I think you could've made that flight..."  It's the unspoken but tacit pressure to have "done better" to get the job done.  We've all felt it.  Everyone handles it differently.  If *you* find yourself canceling more flight than anyone else at the base, then something is amiss.  Either your personal interpretation of the weather is questionable, or everyone else's is.  Or, everyone else is a scud-running, minimums-busting a-hole...which is probably not the case.  Either way, you should probaably find another line of work.  Or at least a different base.

And to the guy who said, "I just tell them "You are paying me to follow the GOM. I am more than willing to violate that particular document but I'll cost a little more."  WRONG WRONG WRONG.  *Never* tell anyone that you'll voluntarily violate a rule, whether it's one in the GOM or a more-restrictive FAR.  That's crazy.  They don't pay you to violate rules; they pay you to follow them.  If I ever heard a pilot say that he'd violate the GOM for more money, I'd fire his azzz so quick his head would spin.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710747 2 Pieces of Free Advice (and worth every penny) +2/-0     
Author:Pretty good
11/15/2021 9:13:19 PM

Reply to: 2710723

advice.

The thing new pilots to any job need to understand is the variables to be dealt with are viewed differently by all pilots.  Decision making is personal.  If things don't add up to a go, then don't.  But, keep reviewing and learning.  If someone asks your reasoning, share it.  They may agree or disagree, whatever, but, at that point, realize, again, that decision making is personal and perfectly intrinsic to you.  The company hired you to make your decisions, don't let others make them fly you.  Inside that potential conundrum is where learning can happen, and simultaneously lurks danger.  Take it easy on yourself, learn, progress safely and productively in decision making, you might just live through your career.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710784 2 The Sage Advice Giver +0/-0     
Author:Mel
11/16/2021 9:41:03 AM

Reply to: 2710723

Whoosh, right over your head.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710748 Use to fly below Company VFR Minimums  +0/-1     
Author:The Rig. When The Weather Is
11/15/2021 9:14:41 PM

Reply to: 2710746

Marginal, they don't want to ride a ferry boat, they still want to get there, to start their shift, and the guys waiting there to be picked up are chomping at the bit to get home at the end of their hitch.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710756 Use to fly below Company VFR Minimums  +1/-0     
Author:ferry boat?
11/15/2021 11:26:25 PM

Reply to: 2710748

tell me you never worked in the gulf without telling me you never worked in the gulf. and no, the guys going out were absolutely not in any hurry to get out there.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710783 Yeah, I caught that too +1/-1     
Author:Rig Ape
11/16/2021 9:37:07 AM

Reply to: 2710756

Nobody who has ever worked in the Gulf refers to it as a "ferry" boat.  It's a crew boat.  And no oil company worker is EVER in a hurry to get offshore although the reverse is absolutely true and they will lie through their teeth to get you to come out.  "I've got 93 million miles of visibility!"  Yeah, straight up at the sun but nothing laterally and you can't even see Bravo platform."  



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710749 Use to fly below Company VFR Minimums  +1/-1     
Author:I assume
11/15/2021 9:17:15 PM

Reply to: 2710726

this problem was in the GOM.  If so, par for those numb skulls.  Fact is the world does not agree with them so don't stress much about it.  Find your niche.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2710843 Stop looking at the money and start thinking about (NT) +1/-0     
Author:living long enough to spend it.
11/16/2021 9:32:48 PM

Reply to: 2710659


Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2711093 Can't spend what you don't have yet (NT) +0/-0     
Author:A Chicken vs Egg thing
11/18/2021 1:53:17 PM

Reply to: 2710843


Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2711841 Does anyone get paid enough money to fly "VFR" in weather that is one inch +0/-2     
Author:There
11/25/2021 4:19:06 PM

Reply to: 2710659

 should be no for-profit emergency services, hospitals, or prisons.

Service to humanity is not a joke, let's not let greed make it one.



Reply  Return-To-Index