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Msg ID: 2710642 How is REACH and duty time one way pressure +1/-1     
Author:Tired amc pilot
11/14/2021 9:45:48 PM

Do they make you call your manager if you turn down a flight for duty time and fill out an online questionaire explaining yourself aswell? Do they expect you to part 91 flight back? Or make you get a hotel? 

 

Or is it up to the pilot?



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Msg ID: 2710645 HAA is awful (NT) +3/-2     
Author:go drive a Semi
11/14/2021 10:36:52 PM

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Msg ID: 2710647 That way, you have your bed with you just behind (NT) +1/-2     
Author:the seat
11/14/2021 10:58:14 PM

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Msg ID: 2710648 HAA is awful +1/-2     
Author:Anony
11/14/2021 10:58:43 PM

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I don't know if on the local side it happens but working for Medtrans which is owned by GMR and GMR owns reach it's a non issue. Medtrans views you turning into a pumpkin at 14 hours, duty time turn downs if they are not very obvious might get a text from your regional manager who is just checking the box on his side and doesn't give you grief. If I do a duty time turn down I just send him text with a heads up and I get a thumbs up and that's the end of it.  No expectations of hotels, I've run into that because I get stuck from weather but even then our service area is small enough an ambulance picks us up and back to base. The next pilot gets a ride from base to aircraft to bring it back. 



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Msg ID: 2710650 How is REACH and duty time one way pressure +0/-0     
Author:They will pressure you.
11/15/2021 12:57:12 AM

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They will tell you that a lot has changed since 2003, that's all in the past and it doesn't matter any more. Unless of course you happen to be a surviving family member of the the three crew members that died that night.

But hey they knew the job was dangerous when they took it, right? Sin Loi! 

There is more to this story and you can find it by starting here:   

https://www.hmpgloballearningnetwork.com/site/emsworld/news/10341477/three-killed-california-medical-helicopter-crash

10,000 hour ATP Certified captain that was ordered to 'try' after Calstar (then based at Ukiah) turned the flight down due to very bad weather.

Gotta make them bucks!

 R.I.P.



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Msg ID: 2710655 How is REACH and duty time one way pressure +0/-0     
Author:Ordered I doubt it
11/15/2021 4:31:51 AM

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so go up and turn around like the other guy. A 10,000 hour "certified ATP captain" should be able to figure that one out. How many times are you going to keep trotting this one out. "Look what you made me do..."

Probable Cause and Findings
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident to be: The pilot's improper in-flight planning and decision to continue flight under visual flight rules into deteriorating weather conditions, which resulted in an inadvertent in-flight encounter with instrument meteorological conditions and a collision with rising terrain while attempting to reverse course.



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Msg ID: 2710658 How is REACH and duty time one way pressure +0/-0     
Author:Key phase
11/15/2021 4:47:50 AM

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The pilot's improper in-flight planning and decision to continue flight under visual flight rules into deteriorating weather conditions



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Msg ID: 2710667 How is REACH and duty time one way pressure +3/-0     
Author:In the know
11/15/2021 10:00:32 AM

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No pressure. No contacting anyone for duty time or weather declines.

If you can get to receiving in 13.5 then the expectation is to take it baring any other concerns. Pilot only return flights part 91 are limited to the 15th hour. Either pilot swap and get crew or they return via Lyft etc. As always, if there are any concerns crew can decline.

I used to work for a company where you had to call the chief Pilot when declining for weather. I quickly started looking at REACH and haven't looked back since. Nearly 10 years and I e never been questioned on a decline of any reason.



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Msg ID: 2710696 How is REACH and duty time one way pressure +0/-0     
Author:OP
11/15/2021 3:35:56 PM

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Thank you "Anony" and "in the know" for the insightful answers, much appreciated.



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Msg ID: 2710697 How is REACH and duty time one way pressure +0/-0     
Author:Nothing says
11/15/2021 3:35:58 PM

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 it better than MacArthur's comment in WWII, something like ".....don't get yourself killed, make the other poor dumb bahst-ard die for his country".

If a situation looks bad, it is bad.  Leave it alone and don't get wound up with dumb managers unless they are simply doing their job by requesting a reason for a flight cx they can attach to their file.



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Msg ID: 2710698 How is REACH and duty time one way pressure +0/-0     
Author:That Was Patton
11/15/2021 3:37:54 PM

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McArthur's claim to fame is "I shall return"



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Msg ID: 2710711 How is REACH and duty time one way pressure +0/-0     
Author:Yeup,
11/15/2021 5:40:35 PM

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I schrewed up.  Thanks!



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Msg ID: 2710844 That was not Mac. (NT) +0/-0     
Author:It was Patton.
11/16/2021 9:34:57 PM

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Msg ID: 2710840 There are no DUTY TIME limitations for Part 91 operations (NT) +0/-0     
Author:(No medical crewmembers)
11/16/2021 9:12:03 PM

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Msg ID: 2710864 There are no DUTY TIME limitations for Part 91 operations  +0/-0     
Author:lol
11/17/2021 4:04:27 AM

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Dumbf**kasaurus has entered the conversation. 



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Msg ID: 2710867 Don't be so critical of yourself! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
11/17/2021 7:38:26 AM

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Msg ID: 2710962 There are no DUTY TIME limitations for Part 91 operations  +0/-0     
Author:In the know
11/17/2021 6:26:01 PM

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The company limits the Part 91 return to the 15th hour. The GOM.



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Msg ID: 2710977 IOW's there are no FAR restrictions to duty. (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
11/17/2021 7:06:09 PM

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Msg ID: 2710978 IOW's there are no FAR restrictions to duty. (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
11/17/2021 7:06:17 PM

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Msg ID: 2711131 How is REACH and duty time one way pressure +0/-0     
Author:GetReal
11/18/2021 8:48:43 PM

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You absolutely don't have to take a one-way flight with AMC. If you're getting pressure, contact the Union and file the appropriate reports. 



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Msg ID: 2711174 Fly it and grieve it! Then, maybe in a year, it will get (NT) +0/-0     
Author:dropped due to "negotiations"
11/19/2021 12:57:08 PM

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