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Msg ID: 2707884 Careless or reckless operation +0/-0     
Author:Fired from HAA
10/17/2021 9:28:44 PM

I didnt feel I was careless or reckless, but a situation got our of hand that put me in a bad light. In hindsight I screwed up big time.

I was reported to FAA and got to tell them my side of the story. FAA inspector seemed sympathetic and said because of my willingness to speak he would recommend a short term licence suspension. I was told to expect a quick decision as the legal eagles would want this over and done with quickly.

The months are rolling on and I have not heard anything. When I log on to Airman Certification my licences are good. I'm not sure if I should contact the FAA again, or let it go and hope I got the benefit of the doubt.

Anyone been down this road, if so what kind of time frame did the decision from the FAA take.

How did the outcome affect your carreer in aviation going forward? 

Thanks in advance.



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Msg ID: 2707885 Careless or reckless operation +1/-0     
Author:clown
10/17/2021 9:38:27 PM

Reply to: 2707884

So....what'd you do?



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Msg ID: 2707886 There are a bunch of management amateurs in (NT) +0/-1     
Author:Charge who have the FAA ears
10/17/2021 9:57:00 PM

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Msg ID: 2707888 Careless or reckless operation +0/-0     
Author:Hello...
10/17/2021 10:10:58 PM

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Give us the rest of your story about any FAA viloations and maybe we can help...CAA 



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Msg ID: 2707890 Careless or reckless operation +14/-1     
Author:Hmmm
10/17/2021 10:26:25 PM

Reply to: 2707888

Be prepared for anything but if you're employed keep on keepin on.  If the Feds decide to do anthing they will call you.  Do not talk to them until they talk to you.  Start looking for legal advise somewhere other than Just Helicopters.



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Msg ID: 2707898 Careless or reckless operation +0/-0     
Author:oldNtired
10/18/2021 12:53:56 AM

Reply to: 2707890

From what you say, recommendation had been made by the FAA.  If no action on there part keep working.  Talk to no one about it except legal council.  If they have not asked you too surrender your license you have not lost your license.  The Feds are pretty much in lockdown due to Covid so its probably still hanging over your head and a suspension notice could be forthcoming.



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Msg ID: 2707941 Careless or reckless operation +0/-0     
Author:he said he
10/18/2021 10:52:59 AM

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was fired 



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Msg ID: 2707910 Hey Management Dweebs, listen to  +0/-0     
Author:Knew a guy...
10/18/2021 7:12:36 AM

Reply to: 2707899

I knew a guy who had a violation that he owned up to.  They told him they were going to give him 2 years to think about the decision he made.   He was able to get it knocked back to 6 months.   

 

It took the FAA just shy of another 2 years to actually impose the suspension.



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Msg ID: 2707912 Hey Management Dweebs, listen to  +1/-5     
Author:Burp
10/18/2021 7:21:28 AM

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Go to Canada and get your license converted before suspension takes effect.  You can fly in Canada on your Canadian license.



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Msg ID: 2707987 Careless or reckless operation +0/-0     
Author:Usually quick...within a few weeks
10/18/2021 4:26:35 PM

Reply to: 2707884

You should have heard something.

Recently, a pilot  had a couple of issues with a flight which constituted careless and reckless operation, including a deviation into Bravo airspace and wrong calculations for weight and balance on several legs, so flew the aircraft over the weight limitation. Was given 15 days to submit a statement and heard back within a week. Counseled and returned to work within three weeks of violation. 



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Msg ID: 2707996 Careless or reckless operation +1/-0     
Author:I’m more scared of the FAA
10/18/2021 6:17:55 PM

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than the IRS...



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Msg ID: 2708018 Careless or reckless operation +0/-0     
Author:Obviously. You Are A Helicopter
10/18/2021 9:30:49 PM

Reply to: 2707996

Pilot who makes so little money, the IRS would be wasting their time trying to get any money you don't have anyway.



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Msg ID: 2708075 Careless or reckless operation +0/-0     
Author:Remember ads is used for enforcement
10/19/2021 2:50:11 PM

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Cover ure arse


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Msg ID: 2708283 Careless or reckless operation +0/-0     
Author:04X
10/20/2021 11:34:12 PM

Reply to: 2707884

Go onto the Faa website.

https://www.faa.gov/foia/foia_coordinators/regional_service_centers/?region=asw   under the freedom of information act there is a request form that you fill out requesting All information of the supposedly violation. You can use a email that is not one you normally use on the site. Gather the date, time and  as close to the location of the incident as possibl.

this happened to me this pass May. Landing at a school to pick up my son. With prior approval and landing site.

in class "C" and having to circle about 7 minutes before my LZ was cleared. And the wife that teaches at the school over seeing the LZ and no one out on school campus except her (kids were still in last hour)

BUT the principal didn't inform the school deputies of the arrangement.

Well here comes Barnie Fife coming around the corner all ready talking to dispatch to contact the Faa.

he proceeded to pull me out of the helicopter before shutdown and I told him he'd better back off until I shut down or he'd be responsible for the safety of others.

principal showed up and straighten things out. Just had to wait about 10 minutes after the crap until we could take off.  200' agl contacted tower with intentions and approval ...500' agl 04X  we have a number for you to call.

call was to the tower  asking for contact information

a week later Faa called and asked what happened  proceed to answer.. but before he could talk to me  he had to send me the pilots bill of rights have me read it and email him back stating that I understood it.

He ask that I send him a statement of MY VIOLATION. I proceeded to explain that I wasn't reckless OR put anyone or anything  in danger  as he was stating.

this is what I sent him.   short and nothing more!

Mr. ???????,
On May 14 1:32 PM local, I picked up my son at a designated landing area on school grounds with weeks prior permission and approval from the principal.
The School security was not informed of my arrival.

statment from the deputy   

Good morning,
In regards to the helicopter landing that took place on 5/14/21 at the landing occurred at approximately 1331 hours in the rear of campus. Pilot landed the aircraft approximately 40-50 yards from the 600 building on the Northwest Corner of campus right at main dismissal. When I approached the aircraft at approximately 1335 hours, there were already more than 40 children gathering in the rear of the building while the helicopter was grounded with rotor still slightly spinning.
Upon instructing Mr pilot to shut down the aircraft and exit said craft, he did so and advised me that he had permission from Principal  to pick up his son from school in the helicopter. Mr Principal met with all parties in the rear of the campus and confirmed that permission was granted, however, he stated that 2:00pm was the time he instructed Mr pilot to land and pick up. Mr pilot said his son told him 1:30 pm was acceptable so that is where the mix up occurred. Full-time Sheriff Deputies who man the campus of the school daily were not made aware of prior approval of the landing which caused emergency response from multiple Deputies. It seems as though the event was simply an event designed to draw attention, especially when the other parent works at the school and drives to/from daily.
In my opinion, there are far too many dangers involved with landing an aircraft within close proximity to a building, especially a school building with children. The school owns several acres of property which could have more safely been used to land the aircraft. While students stayed a safe distance from the helicopter, there were simply too many moving parts to include hundreds of cars utilizing a roadway in the front and rear of school. Had Law Enforcement been advised prior to, permission would not have been given by us due to the many variable and concerns for safety.
Marty the deputy 
Monday, May 17, 2021 7:38 AM
 (FAA)
Helicopter Incident
Respectfully

About a week or so  later the Faa called me and ask me what I learned from this incident (keep in mind I didn't see or know how many statements were mad to the Faa)

I kept asking what incident or violation. He kept repeating reckless and indangermen.

and I kept repeating that  no one was any danger or was I reckless check the records of the tower and the voice recordings where I circled until the LZ was clear.

well the Faa stated that he had several statements from deputies and a few from school officials and parents

and who would a judge believe the cops or me. he stated the judge would believe the officials ,...not the PILOT   The one in the drivers seat.

well we agreed to both disagree.

so I told him probably what I may have learned was to trust but verify

Faa informed me that I will be on watch for 2 years and told don't screw up again   I believe this was a form of Intimidation

under the FOIA I obtained the 2 statements and  that  son of a B!!,h at the  Faa was lying to me. There was only one complaint / statement from the  Cops. The other was from the principal explaining the permission and the mixup.

Well I don't trust the FAA  but I am verifying my records.

if you made it this far

just my .02 of what happened to me

 

 

 

 



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Msg ID: 2708286 Careless or reckless operation +0/-1     
Author:Story doesn’t pass smell test
10/21/2021 1:06:44 AM

Reply to: 2708283

I believe there are people stupid enough to do that but the rest of it is fantasy.



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Msg ID: 2708349 Careless or reckless operation +0/-0     
Author:butt hurt
10/21/2021 3:29:48 PM

Reply to: 2708286

the sheriff or school safety officer wasnt in the loop so his little nazzi fellings were hurt because he had to go to the principles office. 

 



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Msg ID: 2708355 Careless or reckless operation +0/-0     
Author:yeah sure good point
10/21/2021 3:51:57 PM

Reply to: 2708349

why would you bother to let in house police know there will be a helicopter landing on the property. 



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Msg ID: 2708949 Careless or reckless operation +1/-0     
Author:Don’t
10/26/2021 6:39:32 PM

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push it. After a certain time it becomes a stale complaint that can no longer be dealt with as our of character with the tenant of speedy resolution.  Let it be, get on with your work.



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Msg ID: 2708953 Careless or reckless operation +2/-0     
Author:Stale Complaint Is Lack Of A
10/26/2021 6:48:52 PM

Reply to: 2708949

Written notification within 60 days. Usually to your listed address. Your current mailing address better be on file, or else they will enforce that rule even if they didn't enforce the original alleged offense.



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Msg ID: 2708968 Careless or reckless operation +2/-0     
Author:Yeup
10/26/2021 9:14:29 PM

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Another good point.



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