Msg ID:
2707353 |
Gmr Union? +1/-2
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Author:Spit balling
10/14/2021 3:23:07 PM
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I know I am in for a s storm but I will try to get some info anyway. First is the union worth it for air methods? I know you can't make everyone happy but overall, how is it?
Secondly, GMR is now huge with all the smaller companies under it. Is it worth ALL of us, mtc,reach, air evac, the fixed wing pilots to get better pay and better benifits. Could we join reach in there CBA?
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Msg ID:
2707355 |
Gmr Union? +3/-1
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Author:The OPEIU Is An Office Professional
10/14/2021 3:27:39 PM
Reply to: 2707353
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Union. Their expertise is in office professionals. They know nothing of pilots, aviation, or anything aviation related. Now if you could organize with a union like ALPA, you might have something that you would be satisfied with. |
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Msg ID:
2707359 |
Gmr Union? +0/-0
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Author:Baller
10/14/2021 3:38:38 PM
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I contacted them and asked if they represented rotor wing. They say nope. great minds think a like |
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Msg ID:
2707361 |
Gmr Union? +7/-3
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Author:we know
10/14/2021 3:48:47 PM
Reply to: 2707355
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it doesn't matter if they know anything about aviation. Business is business for the most part. Not all Teamsters drive a truck. In case you haven't noticed, here are no unions that only represent helicopter pilots. The ALPA would be awesome but why would they bother with a bunch of nitwit helicopter pilots. |
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Msg ID:
2707363 |
Gmr Union? +1/-3
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Author:Not A Resounding Testimonial
10/14/2021 4:05:39 PM
Reply to: 2707361
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For a union, to be sure. Your satisfaction with such a union would be least than satisfactory. Some might even say flagrant. |
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Msg ID:
2707381 |
Gmr Union? +0/-3
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Author:Anonymous
10/14/2021 6:42:15 PM
Reply to: 2707363
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Crawl back into your hole |
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Msg ID:
2707391 |
Gmr Union? +2/-0
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Author:Hmmm
10/14/2021 7:17:50 PM
Reply to: 2707381
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Retired now and was able to have a great career without a union. I just can't see the logic in having another level of supervision in my work and have to pay for it. |
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Msg ID:
2707452 |
Gmr Union? +1/-0
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Author:it's not a level of supervision
10/15/2021 11:15:15 AM
Reply to: 2707391
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at all. what? |
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Msg ID:
2707492 |
Well, yes it is. Someone between me an upper management is (NT) +0/-0
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Author:ANOTHER LEVEL
10/15/2021 4:30:09 PM
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Msg ID:
2707453 |
Gmr Union? +0/-0
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Author:some would say flagrant
10/15/2021 11:16:45 AM
Reply to: 2707363
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like some that don't know the meaning of the word flagrant lol |
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Msg ID:
2707377 |
Gmr Union? +1/-0
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Author:New AMC Pilot
10/14/2021 6:04:56 PM
Reply to: 2707353
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So far I have enjoyed the Union. While the rest of airmethods lost their vacation and 401k benefits ours remained. Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos fear unions and there is a reason for that. |
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Msg ID:
2708040 |
The rest of AMC got it all back and then some! Pilot's missed +1/-1
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Author:out on that gratitude!
10/19/2021 9:26:00 AM
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Msg ID:
2707395 |
Gmr Union? +1/-2
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Author:Utility flyer
10/14/2021 8:23:25 PM
Reply to: 2707353
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Union foolishness may work in HEMS but in my case I get paid a great deal more than others in my company because I can do more. Power line is my niche but I can easily do fire and off shore hoist. I am proficient with several airframes.
Why shouldn’t I make much more than a much less experienced pilot? I’m happy negotiating my own pay and benefits. |
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Msg ID:
2707397 |
GMR could organize under OPEIU Local 109. Largest air medical union (NT) +1/-1
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Author:In the WORLD!! FACT
10/14/2021 9:04:48 PM
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Msg ID:
2707429 |
Under 109? That would be stupid since they are under OPEIU (NT) +0/-0
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Author:It's Ike JetBlue organizing under United
10/15/2021 8:04:36 AM
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Msg ID:
2707435 |
Not a fact. Local 109 is a local of OPEIU, and not a "union" in of itself (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Nothing but big egos and sophomores
10/15/2021 8:37:02 AM
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Msg ID:
2707955 |
109 is the BIGGEST and most EXPERIENCED air medical union in the WORLD (NT) +0/-0
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Author:FACT!! You’re welcome.
10/18/2021 11:53:58 AM
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Msg ID:
2708013 |
Gives back to selected individuals, not to everyone! +0/-0
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Author:If you are giving back, you should do so
10/18/2021 8:05:10 PM
Reply to: 2708007
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automatically to everyone you took it from! Especially those agency fee payers you are steeling from! |
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Msg ID:
2707399 |
Union saved wages, benefits, sick-vacation, 401k and much MORE during COVID (NT) +2/-1
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Author:Union Strong and Proud
10/14/2021 9:10:41 PM
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Msg ID:
2707406 |
Union saved wages, benefits, sick-vacation, 401k and much MORE during COVID +3/-0
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Author:Yeah ok
10/14/2021 9:49:26 PM
Reply to: 2707399
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Cant wait to see what ol' 109 will voluntarily give up on the next contract! |
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Msg ID:
2707417 |
BEST contract they have bargained last time with FULL back pay and increase (NT) +1/-1
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Author:In pay and benefits! Save ur lies
10/15/2021 12:04:21 AM
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Msg ID:
2707937 |
What about current pilots not being able to have they pay brought to standa +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
10/18/2021 10:32:45 AM
Reply to: 2707417
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Oops |
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Msg ID:
2707448 |
Union saved wages, benefits, sick-vacation, 401k and much MORE during COVID +2/-2
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Author:Really???
10/15/2021 10:55:42 AM
Reply to: 2707399
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So Med Trans, PHI, Metro... all just hosed their pilots in the last two years...
Metro pay raise a year 4%.... AMC 3.2%....
Metro safety bonus..... AMC None...or wait Bravo Points...
Give me a break with the Union poo.... The Union is only good for New Hires, and people who don't like to work. Good employee that are loyal to a company get hosed by the Union.
If you have been at AMC for more that 10 years straight, you have been hosed by the Union.
Pilots that are hired now get paid almost the same as a 10 year pilot due to the fact those 10 year pilots worked through the years there was no contract. Because the Union did not get retro pay or bring up the pay scale for those pilots we have fallen off.
Truth! |
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Msg ID:
2707456 |
FALSE. Here’s the truth +3/-2
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Author:Metro v. AMC
10/15/2021 11:37:48 AM
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Metro 4% with the safety bonus, 3% without, no additional stipends or bonuses.
AMC 3.25% no safety bonus, up to $15,000 bonuses.
Metro NO geo-mods or ACCRA.
AMC up to 160% ACCRA
Metro NO workover pay for training and travel.
AMC minimum of 8 hours workover for training and travel.
Metro 5 days vacation ALL levels.
AMC 2 weeks vacation.
Metro 401k no match.
AMC 401k best match in industry.
Metro forced workover and NO base rights which means you can be forced to work anywhere, anytime.
AMC NO forced workover and can not be forced to work anywhere but YOUR base.
Metro went over 3 years with NO raise And NO back pay.
AMC went 14 months with NO raise but got FULL back pay.
Just to name a few.... |
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Msg ID:
2707462 |
FALSE. Here’s the truth +1/-0
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Author:Some truth
10/15/2021 12:18:45 PM
Reply to: 2707456
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Where do you get a 15K bonus from AMC... not a stipends that can go away, and not sign on bonus.
We have maybe 4 bases out of 350 that get 160% and that's not enough for those locations.
You must be new. During the last three contracts with AMC we have gone multiple years with out a contract.
You did not answer the question brought up about pay.
It is truth that if you have been at AMC for more than 10 years you have been hosed.
We went almost 2-3 years without a contract in 2014, and almost a 1 and hlaf in 2009.
We should try and make any company you work for "a destination company like SouthWest." No shortage of pilot there, and lately proving pilots can ban together for a common good. |
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Msg ID:
2707497 |
Newest Seniority List is out.... new hires are more senior (NT) +0/-0
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Author:to many despite member's desires
10/15/2021 5:21:40 PM
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Msg ID:
2707985 |
PREACH +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
10/18/2021 4:13:57 PM
Reply to: 2707448
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Senior amc guys going to walk if the next CBA is another AMC charity drive/corporate bailout |
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Msg ID:
2707463 |
Gmr Union? +2/-1
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Author:Why
10/15/2021 12:34:56 PM
Reply to: 2707353
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If the union was so bad then all the other non-union companies would be hands down a better place to work, but they are not. AMC union sets the standards and everyone else follows.
It would be way better if all companies were unionized. But alas, they just follow AMC.
By the way, the union was actually the best thing that ever happened to AMC. |
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Msg ID:
2707465 |
Gmr Union? +1/-0
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Author:Standard?
10/15/2021 12:56:44 PM
Reply to: 2707463
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Yah setting a low standard, so other comapnies choose to set a low standard. |
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Msg ID:
2707775 |
Gmr Union? +0/-0
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Author:That's the point
10/17/2021 1:06:13 PM
Reply to: 2707465
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You got it. |
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Msg ID:
2707777 |
Gmr Union? +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
10/17/2021 1:08:46 PM
Reply to: 2707463
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Don't look at AMC, they just eternally doomed their pilots to a broken pay scale with that last CBA. Going to be mass exodus if it doesn't change |
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Msg ID:
2707956 |
Bootlicker huh? +1/-0
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Author:Daddy complex
10/18/2021 11:54:49 AM
Reply to: 2707952
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You couldn't be further off the mark. People will leave when their reward for company loyalty has been removed...common sense |
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Msg ID:
2707957 |
Are you a company board member? +0/-0
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Author:No just a crab in a bucket
10/18/2021 11:57:07 AM
Reply to: 2707952
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Don't force everyone to be miserable like you. If there is no incentive to stay with a company, why would you not leave for better pay |
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