I see quite a few open positions at Air Methods- what is the base pay for a west coast IFR helicopter pilot without COLA or stipends? Thanks for any input.

Tree Fiddy!

figuring out pay on that thing

if gives you a starting range and pay raise percentages and that's it. There is no scale. Tell me the pay of say, a 5 year pilot in Henderson NV. You can't.

because you can't figure it out. Pilots there are all at different rates due to buyouts, mergers, etc. There is no pay scale. That's why there is just the 3.25 annual raise and ACCRA difference. The reason they don't publish a pay scale is there isn't one. 

I already said that twice. where's your numbers bro

a number.

where you start is the problem since no pay scale bro

as in no it isn't

starting pilots with experience at 73k, you're stupid.

AMC pilot here...yes that range is where ALL new hires start.  If you've got a few years experience you could probably talk them into the 73k.  You're definitely not getting more, as that would violate CBA.

That's your base pay.  Then add your COLA or stipend.  Overtime calculated at your base pay rate tho, 1.5x33.7.

Stop being a d bag and accept your answer

then they are, by far, the lowest paid pilots in the industry. How do you know that's what they're paying? Face it, you don't. You gonna tell me an new hire experienced SPIFR pay is 75k IF they're lucky? Get real.

violate the CBA. What's stopping them from paying more? Nothing. Do you think the union would complain and say "hey, you're paying us too much!" They can "reserve the right" to pay that, but it sure as hell doesn't mean they have to. Is it possible they could give up that right?

No, if you are not yet an employee of Air Methods , the contract is NOT available on the union website.

The contract says: "A normal schedule shift shall not exceed twelve (12) hours. This section will not relieve any Pilot from accepting any flight that may extend the shift beyond the scheduled twelve (12) hours as long as the flight can be conducted in accordance with the applicable FAR’s and Company duty time policies."

In a nutshell, pilots work a 12-hour shift unless they are called out on a flight. If called out, the total 'duty time' cannot exceed 14 hours. The Union protects pilot's ability to be back at their home base by 14 hours from the time s/he clocked in for duty.

1. You must be realistic in your planning.

2. There is absolutely NO obligation to fly beyond 14. If you realize you're going to exceed 14, you can leave the crew at the hospital and fly back to base within 14 hours. The oncoming pilot will go back to pick up the crew. 

3. Our RAD and the AMC POI instructed us pilots "skids down by 14" so I'm following that.

The AMC pilots work "a regularly assigned duty period" therefore they must operate under 135.267(c) according to the regulations. A company can't just say they operate under 135.267(d) when their operations are DEFINED under 135.267(c). They must operate under (c) unless they choose to change their operation and have the pilots not assigned to regular duty periods. That's how the Regulations read and the FAA Legal Interpretations also clarify that. 

The current GOM is wrong by claiming their operations are under 135.267(d) and it is in the process of being rectified. 

Don't be a slave to a greedy corporation.

and your RAD. The RAD from what region?

Then you're doing it wrong. Slave away, if that's working for you.

For those who don't want to exceed 14, AMC won't take any action against you for getting back to base by 14, even if it means leaving the med crew. That's how we roll and management supports us.

Our agreement is that we must be back at our AMC home base at the end of our shift. We are NOT REQUIRED to end our shift at another base but can voluntarily do so. 

Yes, we can be assigned to work at another base but we duty on at the regular time at our home base and end our shift at our home base, within 14 hours. 

None of the pilots are ever required to exceed 14 hours of duty time during a shift. Some do so voluntarily and others refuse to exceed 14 under any circumstances. 

Just wondering why you're so eager to please the corporation when you're within your rights to make sure you're back at your base within your 14-hour duty day? If your managers are pressuring you otherwise, you need to speak with your Union rep because you're getting screwed.

CBA determined within a range, 68-74-ish + IFR Pay + ATP + ACCRA (COLA) + Stipend (if available) + off duty housing (if available). So, 77 to 99 (w accra) ballpark. Stipend +3-5k, housing = ?

rough formula.

i got a headache from that

an ok company to work for but their daily shift admin, computer, paperwork and verification rigamaroll is mind bogglingly unclever.  Really takes what enthusiasm you might have for a helicopter career and dumps it squarely in the toilet!  If they could relieve pilots of all the BS it would be one of the best operators going, assuming HAA is your bag.

type pilots with no clue the mss they were/are creating.  Education counts.

Very very unclever.