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Msg ID: 2703083 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +3/-2     
9/12/2021 1:28:30 AM

According to AMC Management, AMC receives payment from Federal funds - Medicare and Medicaid - therefore vaccines are required for all employees at AMC without any opportunity to opt-out for tests instead of the vaccine. Not sure when the mandate will go into effect but seems inevitable. What percentage will quit or be fired for failing to vaccinate? 

Msg ID: 2703084 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +6/-3     
Author:I Don’t Work There Anymore But
9/12/2021 1:31:55 AM

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I would tell them I am vaccinated. If they ask me for my vaccination record, I will tell them that if they want me to comply with Hippa, they will have to also. I will not agree to showing them any of my medical records except my flight physical.

Msg ID: 2703087 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +0/-0     
9/12/2021 1:40:28 AM

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The vaccine lot numbers are tracked and verified through the states and can't be "faked". I'm worried I'll be forced to vaccinate or be fired. A lawyer told me I can't get unemployment benefits if fired because I failed to comply with company requirements. He also pointed out that other HEMS companies have the same requirements so I'm basically screwed.

Msg ID: 2703088 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +1/-0     
Author:Everyone Has To Comply With
9/12/2021 1:49:39 AM

Reply to: 2703087

Hippa. They cannot force you to release any medical records. That will be a huge sticking point for the mandate. Hippa will have to be repealed to force a vaccination mandate. Now of course they can fire you, but it would not be for proper cause, and you have an actionable tort.

Msg ID: 2703097 HIPAA does not apply to employee-employer relationships (NT) +1/-1     
Author:Sorry, not a valid excuse
9/12/2021 7:53:33 AM

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Msg ID: 2703095 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +2/-1     
9/12/2021 7:42:09 AM

Reply to: 2703084

Not sure that will work, hospitals require proof of vaccinations as do the schools, no hippa violation.

Msg ID: 2703096 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +6/-1     
9/12/2021 7:51:27 AM

Reply to: 2703095

For the last time....  IT IS NOT a violation to ask or require proof of vaccination -"If an employer asks an employee to provide proof that they have been vaccinated, that is not a HIPAA violation, and employees may decide whether to provide that information to their employer."

You are not REQUIRED to provide that information but the emplyer is also not REQUIRED to keep you employed.

Msg ID: 2703653 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +1/-0     
9/15/2021 9:40:53 AM

Reply to: 2703084

   Logic but we get the idea.

Msg ID: 2703102 Wouldn’t worry too much about a mandate: +4/-1     
Author:Ain’t gonna happen
9/12/2021 8:51:32 AM

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Msg ID: 2703108 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +2/-0     
9/12/2021 9:33:59 AM

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Vaccine mandates will result in massive layoffs throughout the country resulting in lower capability to capture revenue flights. Keep in mind, weekly testing is an option. If layoffs, walkouts occur, police, EMS, hospitals, schools, etc. will have fewer workers to support what is already a worker shortage problem. How does editing a workforce improve an already reduced workforce. At some point, pragmatism should...should prevail.

if layoffs do occur, expect them to be short lived. Parents, patients, communities should wake up eventually and services return.

Although...if this is a distraction from other incompetent strategies of the admin, then who knows. But, in the end, getting rid of people when shortages are already here makes no sense.

Msg ID: 2703113 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +9/-0     
9/12/2021 9:59:52 AM

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Why's nobody talking about the studies that have been done on your natural antibodies, if you've already had Covid? Just Google natural covid antibodies vs vaccine, you will see tons of studies showing your natural immunity is better than the vaccine. From the NIH,CDC,Israel and the huge Cleveland Clinic study of 52,000 employees. Of the roughly 1200 that had Covid, but did not get the vaccine... and recovered, not one of those patients was readmitted with Covid a second time. But well over 300, that had been vaccinated were readmitted with Covid at a later date, all with varying degrees of severity. So, a curious question is all the blood clots, swelling hearts and patients that died due to complications from the vaccine, if they already had Covid and were pressured into getting the vaccine... when their natural immunity was good post Covid, do we say, "I guess they just died and took one for the team?" I'm not antivax or hardcore pro Covid vax, what I would like to see is an honest discussion. If we're trying to mandate vaccine passports and other mandates, how about an honest look at post Covid natural antibody paperwork as well?

Msg ID: 2703117 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +0/-4     
Author:nobody is talking about it
9/12/2021 10:13:55 AM

Reply to: 2703113

because it's a pile of bullsh*t, that's why

Msg ID: 2703121 Seems like you are the pile of bulls—t. And you’re  +6/-1     
Author:stinking up the forum
9/12/2021 10:26:52 AM

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Msg ID: 2703966 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +2/-1     
9/16/2021 10:26:38 PM

Reply to: 2703113

wrong.  People have had COVID twice, with no vaccine involved.  Be really careful with your homework, and more so with what you print.

Not getting vaccinated does nothing but screw up our medical system with many severely ill patients.  The country is bankrupt in more ways than one, why add this COVID mess to it?

BTW there's no such thing as immunity to COVID, the flu, the common cold or malaria and so on.  When disease gets eradicated the pathogen winds up not in circulation, which is the goal of vaccine programs, not the development of immunity.  Subtle stuff, and real.

Get vaccinated, wear a mask when appropriate, practice safe behavior and help take COVID (the super cold) out of circulation.

Msg ID: 2704349 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +0/-1     
9/19/2021 10:54:37 PM

Reply to: 2703966

knows exactly what is what!

Best to heed the advice.

Msg ID: 2703125 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +2/-0     
Author:The media
9/12/2021 10:37:30 AM

Reply to: 2703083

I see the media constantly reporting, "this is a surge of the unvaccinated!!" I say, "perhaps it is."

Or is it both, a surge of first time Covid patients without developed antibodies?

Msg ID: 2703155 get used to it...most companies will require  +0/-1     
9/12/2021 1:38:48 PM

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your window of flying will become smaller and smaller to find work if you don't.  Most EMS companies are already asking that on interviews that have Hospital based customers (METRO), and if you don't have it, the interview stops...they tell you upfront that you are no good to them at a hospital base program that requires it...unless you fly News contracts or Utility, but compared to EMS the pay is a joke...

if you have been in the military you are used to this tyoe of Demand.  Remember the Anthrax military shot mandate?  stand over here if you want it....stand over there if you don't and the JAG officer will be by to read you your rights...try deploying overseas sometime either military or civilain contractor and see the kind of shots YOU have to get....

Msg ID: 2703156 don't get it.and get fired...believe me there  +0/-2     
Author:are pilots that would
9/12/2021 1:42:06 PM

Reply to: 2703155

be hired that got it to take your slot...and then your NOT rehireable when you try and get hired on with someone else and they call your past employer...other pilots wanting to start off in this industry will get it, start off at lower pay and take your slot....I say try and see what happens...

Msg ID: 2703157 i LOVE ALL THE ARMCHAIR LAWYERS on here +0/-1     
Author:don't listen to them
9/12/2021 1:43:54 PM

Reply to: 2703156

on Hippa etc...they aren't attorneys and are guessing....laws will be passed and it will be the new norm for awhile...get used to it...

Msg ID: 2703158 Most attorneys age guessing as well, go to court and argue +0/-0     
Author:Judge picks one with best argument
9/12/2021 1:48:02 PM

Reply to: 2703157
Half the lawyers, therefore, aren't right either

Msg ID: 2703161 Most attorneys age guessing as well, go to court and argue +0/-0     
9/12/2021 2:03:06 PM

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and out court costs...most companies are a "at will state" so good luck with that...they have the right to fire you  for any reason they deem fit....when it comes between the company and money from a contract they will pick the Customer EVERYTIME.....At Will State.....remember that phrase...

most hospitals aren't necessarily firing doctors or nurses...they are taking them off the sched. hence a self termination....your base will do the same thing is take you off the sched. and have pool pilots or Workover Pilots fill in....and offer those OT pilots a HUGE incentive to fill in....i know some bases when in need were offering your OT rate plus a extra $500-$1000 a day to fill the math.....



Msg ID: 2703165 Most attorneys age guessing as well, go to court and argue +2/-0     
Author:At Will Cannot Be A Substitute
9/12/2021 2:12:03 PM

Reply to: 2703161

For prejudice, or discrimination. 

Msg ID: 2703167 Most attorneys age guessing as well, go to court and argue +0/-0     
Author:most companies will disagree
9/12/2021 2:29:01 PM

Reply to: 2703165

haha...good luck on that argument...companies have more pull than you think...

Msg ID: 2703324 don't get it.and get fired...believe me there  +0/-0     
Author:ha ha, right
9/13/2021 11:38:26 AM

Reply to: 2703156

There are multiple openings at my company they can't fill.  Many can't handle the training, which is not that hard at all.  Hey manbun (oxymoron), if you can take my job, you can have it.

Msg ID: 2703174 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +0/-1     
Author:Nobody’s gonna quit, they’re all full
9/12/2021 4:09:47 PM

Reply to: 2703083

Of chit if they say they are..... pu$$ie$

Msg ID: 2703214 ,..and you can't run over to the airlines anymore. (NT) +0/-0     
Author:poor, poor anti-vaxers :(
9/12/2021 6:50:59 PM

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Msg ID: 2703222 ,..and you can't run over to the airlines anymore. +0/-0     
Author:Miss Disinformation Are You ?
9/12/2021 7:49:44 PM

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Msg ID: 2703290 There is No lawful “mandate” and employers still be REQUIRED to provide  +3/-0     
Author:Exceptions AND Alternatives by LAW
9/13/2021 10:38:59 AM

Reply to: 2703083

An executive order is NOT law and the so called mandate ONLY applies to federa employees, not private employers regardless of whether they receive federal funding. STOP with the lies and fear tactics. 

Msg ID: 2703429 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +1/-1     
9/13/2021 7:19:15 PM

Reply to: 2703083

idiots choose not to get vaccinated.

Msg ID: 2703434 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +0/-0     
Author:thank you for your service
9/13/2021 7:25:19 PM

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Msg ID: 2703756 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +0/-0     
Author:You Must Have Chosen To Not Be
9/15/2021 6:24:32 PM

Reply to: 2703429

Vaxxed. Don't deny it, because you are certainly an idiot.

Msg ID: 2704000 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +0/-0     
9/17/2021 11:44:42 AM

Reply to: 2703756

One to know one.

Msg ID: 2703607 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +0/-0     
Author:Exactly zero
9/14/2021 9:28:08 PM

Reply to: 2703083

Big talkers

Msg ID: 2704376 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +0/-0     
9/20/2021 10:08:03 AM

Reply to: 2703083
Still glad you voted for him? Only 3.3 yrs to go.

Msg ID: 2704379 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +1/-0     
Author:I Am Still In Shock That A Guy
9/20/2021 10:19:08 AM

Reply to: 2704376

Whose best day was in an empty suit 50 years ago, managed to get as far as he did. Thanks to liberals

Msg ID: 2704383 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +0/-1     
Author:you're welcome
9/20/2021 10:41:32 AM

Reply to: 2704379

but anybody that voted for trump should really just sit this one out bro

Msg ID: 2704384 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +2/-0     
Author:poor brotard. tough last few weeks, huh?
9/20/2021 10:48:49 AM

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Msg ID: 2704385 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +0/-2     
Author:since you are
9/20/2021 10:57:20 AM

Reply to: 2704384

a trump worshipping fascist and I am not, we don't have much to talk about. it's kinda like you want to burn the house down and I'm not good with that so no both sides. call me intollerant if it makes you fell better bro

Msg ID: 2704414 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +1/-0     
Author:You Mean Like A Guy Who
9/20/2021 6:01:51 PM

Reply to: 2704385

Unilaterally allows illegal aliens from all around the Western Hemisphere to invade the country with the covid infected, and unvaccinated? You guys have fear and loathing for American citizens who are unvaccinated, but you don't care if they flood across the border. How about a guy who throws 13 servicemen to their death by homicide bomber? How about the guy who droned a van full of innocent kids to death? How about the guy who applauds the fascist tactics of antifa and BLM? Do you mean that kind of fascist? If you approve of that kind of fascist, you are the fascist, and we have nothing to talk about.

Msg ID: 2704417 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +1/-0     
Author:Your Guy Is Not Fulfilling His
9/20/2021 6:12:34 PM

Reply to: 2704414

Required duties;


Msg ID: 2704419 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +0/-1     
Author:you don't
9/20/2021 6:27:18 PM

Reply to: 2704414

know what fascism is bro. 

Msg ID: 2704437 Mandated Covid-19 vaccines for HEMS  +0/-0     
Author:do you?
9/20/2021 8:00:34 PM

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Msg ID: 2704438 Blame Obama for Trump's first term +0/-0     
Author:and Biden for his second
9/20/2021 8:19:57 PM

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Even hard-core libs are seeing that Trump looks better every day Biden is in office.