Msg ID:
2698321 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +22/-3
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Author:The Truth
8/1/2021 9:15:23 PM
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There a is a continuous comparison on this form between what airline pilots and EMS RW pilots make. Here are some facts in the irrational position that the EMS pilots should make as much as the 121 pilots.
Airline pilots fly 75 to 100 hours a month and have many passengers. They also have to travel with many overnights for the entire career.
EMS helicopter pilots fly 4 to 12 hours per month and have 2 to 3 passengers.
Which do you think should make more?
Also, the regional airline pilots work a heck of a lot harder and make less than the EMS pilots.
In life you have the self choice to be happy or unhappy. If you're unhappy, then you are free to make a change. The worst thing you can do is make those around you suffer because of your unhappiness. It is human nature for some people to never be content and this obviously runs rampant in our society. |
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Msg ID:
2698324 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison (NT) +4/-6
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Author:Perfectly said....
8/1/2021 9:46:48 PM
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Msg ID:
2698325 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +1/-1
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Author:Yep
8/1/2021 10:36:15 PM
Reply to: 2698321
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Regionals require WAY more work.
spend the day flying four legs with an aircraft swap or two, a sit at an airport, to spend the night at a hotel
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watch a movie, take a nap, go fly, come back to have dinner before finishing the shift and heading home
if they ever paid the same, I'd never consider an airline. The money is the selling point. |
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Msg ID:
2698326 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +8/-4
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Author:Meanwhile…
8/1/2021 10:40:19 PM
Reply to: 2698325
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Your fixed wing EMS counter-part is on the same schedule, earning 30% more, flying organ coolers between airports in King Air rather than dodging power lines at 2am in a helicopter.
But please, go ahead and list all the dumb reasons why you work for peanuts. |
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Msg ID:
2698429 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +1/-0
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Author:I’m sorry
8/3/2021 5:58:43 AM
Reply to: 2698326
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I didn't realize that you couldn't comprehend the thing being discussed |
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Msg ID:
2698443 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +0/-0
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Author:HAA is a joke
8/3/2021 10:19:23 AM
Reply to: 2698429
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I didn't realize you are too dumb to understand an apples to apples comparison.
Forget 121 airline vs 135 helicopter ops. Look at fixed wing vs rotor EMS. Who gets paid more? Who gets better benefits? Who has the easier job?
The fixed wing EMS pilots don't even have to stay on base while on call. It's typically a 1 hour call-out window. Most of the flights are scheduled in advance. So they're relaxing at home, getting paid substantially more, doing easy low-risk flying while you dumb-azzes try to justify working for AMC or Metro for $70k per year. |
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Msg ID:
2698336 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +2/-1
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Author:Uh
8/2/2021 6:28:15 AM
Reply to: 2698325
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Regionals are basically the tours portion of an airline pilot career. They are never going to pay the same. Do you really not understand these things? As much of a draw it is to sit around watching TV with the med crew, I think an airline pilot job being a 1000% better career is the big draw, dumbass. |
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Msg ID:
2698430 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +1/-0
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Author:Have you ever considered
8/3/2021 5:59:53 AM
Reply to: 2698336
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Reading and THEN replying? |
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Msg ID:
2698332 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +10/-2
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Author:Uh
8/2/2021 5:05:28 AM
Reply to: 2698321
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Nobody said they don't deserve their pay. I work a lot more hours than an airlime pilot. I don't give a f**k about flight time or number of passengers. I don't expect to make 300k as an EMS pilot. The point is the airline pilot career is a much better choice and most helicopter pilots are underpaid. |
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Msg ID:
2698337 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +2/-0
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Author:If flipping burgers paid the same
8/2/2021 6:33:33 AM
Reply to: 2698332
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as being a brain surgeon, I would pick flipping burgers every time. Profound. |
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Msg ID:
2698420 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +0/-0
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Author:Ems pilots don't work more, you may
8/2/2021 11:11:03 PM
Reply to: 2698332
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spend hours away from home but most EMS pilots don't work most of the time they are there. Most I know grew lazy from years of sitting around flying 20-30 hours a month. Not all for sure but slot. Cracks me up when I hear these pilots talk about being underpaid...like every other profession, if you don't like the pay do something else! |
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Msg ID:
2698346 |
I thought younsaid "here are the facts" (NT) +1/-0
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Author:Itnwas all opinions
8/2/2021 9:04:11 AM
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Msg ID:
2698348 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +6/-1
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Author:Peon
8/2/2021 9:09:39 AM
Reply to: 2698321
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Helicopter flying is the blue collar job in aviation. Always has been and always will be. Doesn't matter if it's an S92, R44, or EC135. The pay will always be less than the airlines and it's NOT comparable to the airlines. Get over it, accept it, or move on. Geez this argument gets old. |
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Msg ID:
2698350 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +5/-0
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Author:Nobody said otherwise
8/2/2021 9:35:58 AM
Reply to: 2698348
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Of course it's not comparable to the airlines but nobody said it was. Helicopter pilots are underpaid is a valid point, though. |
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Msg ID:
2698353 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +0/-0
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Author:I thought the argument was
8/2/2021 10:03:16 AM
Reply to: 2698350
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whether a helicopter pilot career was comparable to that of an airline pilot, not just the pay. Very few helicopter pilots are going to make 300k a year. Lots of airline pilots will. Everybody knows this. You morons don't even know what the argument is about. lol |
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Msg ID:
2698354 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +1/-0
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Author:4-12 hours a month is not
8/2/2021 10:04:48 AM
Reply to: 2698353
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a fact, bro. |
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Msg ID:
2698378 |
Worst comparison ever! If u were so happy with airlines, why still on a (NT) +1/-0
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Author:Helicopter only forum?
8/2/2021 5:30:45 PM
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Msg ID:
2698379 |
SPIFR in a helo is 10x more challenging and demanding than the airlines (NT) +4/-0
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Author:Troll…grow up
8/2/2021 5:31:31 PM
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Msg ID:
2698380 |
Took HUGE paycheck with airlines. Back flying helicopters making a lot more (NT) +1/-1
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Author:Home twice as much. Fact!
8/2/2021 5:32:22 PM
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Msg ID:
2698381 |
ONLY 3% of airline pilots make more than $200k. FACT. (NT) +3/-2
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Author:What u can and do make are different
8/2/2021 5:34:44 PM
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Msg ID:
2698394 |
ONLY 3% of airline pilots make more than $200k. FACT. +1/-0
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Author:wow
8/2/2021 6:58:24 PM
Reply to: 2698381
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are you confused |
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Msg ID:
2698401 |
source? (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
8/2/2021 8:37:35 PM
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Msg ID:
2698412 |
ALPA. Look at the numbers. Over 70% airline pilots Fail to break $125k (NT) +0/-0
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Author:HAA with a few OT shifts and home
8/2/2021 10:58:41 PM
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Msg ID:
2698400 |
source? (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
8/2/2021 8:37:01 PM
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Msg ID:
2698410 |
+2/-1
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Author:RTAGer
8/2/2021 10:25:33 PM
Reply to: 2698381
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What is your reference???
A United 3rd year 777 FO makes 200k. Im positive 80% of that seniority list makes over 200k now and the top 30% is closer to 300k. Those amounts are based on the pilot getting paid min guarantee and not picking up extra trips that pay 50-100% premium pay.
don't forget about the 401k employer contribution... 16%
free pass travel anywhere in the world
etc
etc
etc |
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Msg ID:
2698411 |
You still haven't given a reliable source! +0/-0
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Author:And, even the gate agent can get...
8/2/2021 10:57:27 PM
Reply to: 2698410
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... free travel all over the world |
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Msg ID:
2698413 |
ALPA (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Source
8/2/2021 10:59:06 PM
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Msg ID:
2698414 |
It's not actually "free". You pay to nonrev. And, likely to get (NT) +0/-0
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Author:bumped on a typically full flight
8/2/2021 10:59:07 PM
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Msg ID:
2698497 |
It's not actually "free". You pay to nonrev. And, likely to get +0/-0
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Author:RTAGer
8/3/2021 9:51:06 PM
Reply to: 2698414
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Wrong again. Non-rev costs zero. there is a small fee if I non-rev on another carrier. |
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Msg ID:
2698570 |
Well, I can see you don't NONREV then! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
8/4/2021 7:54:55 PM
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Msg ID:
2698576 |
Non-Rev'ing on another carrier is called Zed. International nonrev (NT) +0/-0
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Author:(you boasted) costs you, it is not FREE
8/4/2021 8:50:32 PM
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Msg ID:
2698415 |
You must be one of those who got lied to with endless riches and utopia (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Should have did some research
8/2/2021 11:02:11 PM
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Msg ID:
2698498 |
You still haven't given a reliable source! +0/-0
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Author:RTAGer
8/3/2021 9:52:56 PM
Reply to: 2698411
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Reliable source for what? Pilot pay is public information. you can find the pay chart for every airline on airlinepilotcentral. the pay and bennies are fantastic |
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Msg ID:
2698409 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
8/2/2021 10:07:15 PM
Reply to: 2698321
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what's the revenue per seat mile for your airline?
hmmm. |
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Msg ID:
2698423 |
I made so much flying HAA last year I didn't qualify for any of the (NT) +0/-0
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Author:stimulus free money
8/3/2021 12:38:28 AM
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Msg ID:
2698433 |
I made so much flying HAA last year I didn't qualify for any of the +1/-3
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Author:fling wing flyer
8/3/2021 7:20:22 AM
Reply to: 2698423
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A buddy of mine started flying airplanes about the same time that I started flying helicopters. He is now an FO at a major airline in his 8th year and according to the pay scales makes about $140 a flight hour. Guarantee is 79 hours. That's $132,000/ year. His first year with the majors he made just over $60,000.
We talked the other day as he was sitting on the ground at some airport. They were an hour into waiting to depart and I mentioned that he was at least getting paid. He said nope, he only gets paid block time. No compensation for his commutes or extended times in locations.
In comparison, he has been furloughed 3 times when working for the regionals for a total unemployment of almost 4 years. During that time he flew for peanuts on side corporate jobs.
Compare that to EMS - we are almost guaranteed not to be furloughed. So you have a base pay between $70-80K as a new guy. Work a little OT and you can easily get over $100K. Been flying for more than 10 years like my buddy? Most likely you are in the $90's for pay and can easily clear over $100K.
The grass might be greener becasue it's painted that way.
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Msg ID:
2698447 |
I made so much flying HAA last year I didn't qualify for any of the +1/-1
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Author:It’s greener because
8/3/2021 10:34:59 AM
Reply to: 2698433
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it's greener. You're good buddy is making a helluva lot more than 130k. A sh*t ton more. Corporate pilots don't fly for peanuts either, bro. Let's face it: you made the whole thing up. I mean really, you expect anybody to believe he was furloughed 3 times between 2013 and now? Sorry, pal. Hate to tell you but he will earn 3 times what you do over his career and has a much safer and better job. Try reality, bro. |
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Msg ID:
2698456 |
I made so much flying HAA last year I didn't qualify for any of the +1/-0
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Author:All while the airlines were
8/3/2021 11:39:00 AM
Reply to: 2698447
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recruiting HELICOPTER pilots, your good buddy was furloughed for 4 out of the last 8 years. Checks out. |
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Msg ID:
2698479 |
I made so much flying HAA last year I didn't qualify for any of the +0/-0
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Author:fling wing flyer
8/3/2021 3:52:05 PM
Reply to: 2698447
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Reading comprehension is hard.... He's in his 8th year at a major airline.
We both started flying "professionally" in 2000. |
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Msg ID:
2698487 |
I made so much flying HAA last year I didn't qualify for any of the +1/-0
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Author:What Do You Call A Base Closure?
8/3/2021 5:56:58 PM
Reply to: 2698433
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You might get offered a base 2 states away. For the 4 base pilots, it's essentially a furlough. |
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Msg ID:
2698517 |
Base closure (rare) vs. Furlough (VERY common) (NT) +1/-1
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Author:Helo over fixed wing fairies anyday
8/4/2021 11:18:01 AM
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Msg ID:
2698550 |
Base closure (rare) vs. Furlough (VERY common) +0/-0
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Author:Base closure
8/4/2021 4:59:26 PM
Reply to: 2698517
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Inevitable |
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Msg ID:
2698566 |
How’s that whole COVID thing workout for the airlines? (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Exactly….
8/4/2021 7:08:22 PM
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Msg ID:
2698568 |
How’s that whole COVID thing workout for the airlines? +0/-0
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Author:Class A airspace
8/4/2021 7:15:20 PM
Reply to: 2698566
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Covid worked pretty well for the guys and gals flying at Fed ex and UPS. |
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Msg ID:
2698567 |
Base closure (rare) vs. Furlough (VERY common) +0/-0
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Author:Class A airspace
8/4/2021 7:13:55 PM
Reply to: 2698550
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That's great bud! You go fly your little helicopter. Tell yourself what you need to hear so you can sleep better at night. |
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Msg ID:
2698609 |
Not the 1 who’s on a helicopter site claiming to be sooo happy with the (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Airlines….loser!
8/5/2021 10:52:04 AM
Reply to: 2698567
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Msg ID:
2698610 |
It’s like saying you love other men but are searching lesbian sites (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Who’s really in denial?
8/5/2021 10:56:12 AM
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Msg ID:
2698574 |
EMS/Airline Pay Comparison +1/-0
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Author:What
8/4/2021 8:39:01 PM
Reply to: 2698321
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One gets paid is partially your rationale trumped by supply and demand. The rest is from the pay or base hat supports the type operation undertaken. UPS freight brings in a lot of money, so, UPS pilots can bargain for their share of a larger money pie. |
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