About time this is happening. Been a rough time being an ACE for AMC the last several years and we NEED the Union!! Vote YES!!!

The card can be solicited for a whole year from employees.  Once signed, it is held even if the employee moves on or changes his mind.  If the union can obtain 50% signed cards, they will attempt to claim they have succeeded in establishing a union without an actual vote and hope the company doesn't contest it.  If the company doesn't contest, thenunion will claim itself without an actual vote.   If the comp does contest, the matter comes up for a vote BUT the union now has gained a huge strategic advantage because it only needs a majority of those voting to win.  Of course, those anxious to establish a union will vote.   But, those who are not anxious to start a union and don't participate in the hoopla will be counted as an abstain where their nonparticipation will count against them.   

usually, to establish something when there wasn't anything, it requires a majority of the whole.  IOWs, it would take a majority of all to vote to establish itself.   But, now, having collected cards for a whole year, the union can established itself with just one person voting FOR a union, with the other 99% ignoring the vote by not participating.   A HUGE advantage for unions to gain access when they had little chance in reality.  

Beware of the used car salesman  tactics here!

Funny, but that is exactly how American elections work. Only the majority of those who care enough to vote counts. Just like an American election. What do you have against American elections? Why do you hate America??

require a SUPER MAJORITY or better.    But, this is not an American election.   This is a UNION trying to muscle in on the cash flow of AMERICANS by using a way less than majority strategy!

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2005/11/how-do-you-start-your-own-town.html

Though each state has its own rules on “municipal incorporation,” in general you’ll need to get 51 percent of the eligible voters in the area to go along with you.

That is 51% of the whole to vote for it!   Not 5% of the whole, equating to 52% of those voting!

Before you can take rights from individuals, the individual needs to agree to it.   That's why 50%+1 of all eligible needs to agree to it at the onset!   Otherwise, you can end up with 1% of the whole establishing something 99% of the whole really didn't want

This is how the real America works!

You make your agenda clear when you simply lie. If only 10 people voted in an American election the candidate with the majority of those 10 who voted would win. This is the way a union election is done also. Those who don't vote don't count. That's the way it is in America, and that's the way it is in a union election. Stop lying.

This is to establish a restrictive covenent where there isn't one.   This is to say, you are trying to TAKE AWAY the rights of those enjoying their freedom using a MINORITY of the whole.

Not only un-American, but unethical and dishonest!

Trying to call this an American Election is simply inane!

sounds pretty fair to me. If it bothers you, guess you were in the generation who got a trophy for participating. Hmmm?

Almost 40 years in the biz. 3 union drives. No company ever got 'organized' that didn't work hard to get it.

That said, organizing is less than half the battle. Keeping the membership active and on top of their elected officials and represenatatives is tougher than getting the union voted. Bureaucracies and internecine politicing will cripple your represntation.

BUT if you keep the guys involved, elect good reps, it's night and day, a sudden improvment at work. The contract spells it out for all involved. Bing, bang budda-boom- here's your papers, you're outta here. Sat at some whining and crying while managers documented the past process and the dead wood was gone- it's a relief to everyone.

If that is true why does PHI pay better now then when the had a strong union.

If that's true why do no union companies like ERA, LFN, etc pay better than union companies.

Think you might be mistaken

PHI is still following the pay structure in the Green Book. Era has no choice but to match or pay more. That's why. 

Isn't the Green Book the imposed "contract" by the company after the Union disinigrated in a strike?   Surely you aren't trying to claim they are getting paid so well now because of the union in that failure!   PHI could have written anything it wanted to in the Green Book, and frankly, can change the Green Book anytime it wants to now.

It was not "imposed". It was the company's final offer before the strike. The offer negotiated by the union. For the most part, PHI has abided by it. Yes, I am claiming PHI pays well because they have honored the green book as far as pay. They wouldn't need to change the green book, they could disregard it. But they haven't because the union still has a presence at the company. Strikes are expensive for everybody. PHI is trying to avoid that. 

The union has "presence" in the sense there are a half-dozen guys running around calling themselves the union who are surviving mostly on Careflite pilot's mandatory dues, but who don't give Careflite pilots the time of day!   Why Careflite is part of PHI pilot's union is beyond comprehension (unless you are of a corrupted mind).

if PhI pilots are being treated well, today, 14 years after the union collapsed in a Strike effort, it is ONLY because the company treats the pilots well, not because the union has anything to do with it.   There is effectivly no union (except as a zhilaohu)

Truth is, it's was a huge increase in pay a benefits. Many pilots saw their pay nearly double. As I have been saying for years, the strike was anything but a failure for PHI pilots in the grand scheme. I consider the strike a battle lost but when it comes to pay, the pilots won the war. Era has had no choice but to match or beat PHI's pay. PHI's union membership has been steadily increasing lately. If you think PHI has abided by the Green Book out of the goodness of their heart, you are more naive than you are stupid. Or maybe the other way around. Whatever.

PHI: we shall now IMPOSE a contract that we will honor that gives you pilots a huge increase in pay and benefits!

PHI pilots: oh, okay

Imposed!   The union went on strike because it rejected the company's offer, and the company simply imposed it when the NMB released them from status Quo.  The Green Book is the last offer by the company that the union rejected, but who now claim it to be great adn all because of them.   t/hey didn't sign it then...   and it was simply IMPOSED.

Imonsed, minus a bunch of things the company scratched out before they imposed it, chiefly:  Agency Fees!

after all was said and done, the contract was a huge win for PHI pilots. And it still is today. Uninformed people (or more accurately, liars) always want to distort the truth by focusing only on the strike as proof the union failed. The truth is more complicated. I know it's just a magical coincidence that PHI pilots started being treated and paid better in 2006. PHI pilots and the industry as a whole owe them a debt of gratitude. 

that nice contract that the union negotiated but unfortunately rejected. Thanks, union!

Now I don't have to fund the union parties for their fat cats, fund the political left machine and pass along its propaganda, and still enjoy all the benefits of a great company

The union was awsome in doing that!

the result is the same since PHI has abided by the last offer. You never had to join the union. Lol

The union cannot claim anything as a success here, since they have no success here

You know wages didn't just come up huge in 2006 on their own. The Green Book didnt write itself. Thanks union!!

the dude they interviewed from the then PHPA admitted it (B.G. straight up).   supply and demand.   They only thing the union might be credited with is creating a scale.   But wages were going up on their own anyways, union or no union!

PHI wages almost doubled with the contract that the union negotiated. That's the fact. You are not being honest with yourself. What's odd is that the wages at Air Log went up because of "supply and demand" at the EXACT SAME TIME they negotiated their contract, too. Weird! haaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

bargaining chip for a union!

the time. They must have been afraid everybody was going to quit and go work teaching in Robbies. haaaaaaaahaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa!

That's funny.

deserve it!

somebody has to go first lol. Hey, they get me a nice contract, it's: after you, sir!

that's exactly what I admit. Exactly. lol

what it looks like when you lost an argument but you never had an argument to begin with lol

congrats. But if that's all you can come up with, the argument you lost. lol

nice contract the union got for you. You really should thank them but speaking of leeches...

the only reason that contract exists today is because of the union. PHI went from paying poorly before the union to paying well after. It's not too hard to figure out unless you just don't want to.

Companies had to increase their offerings to keep people, not because the union "pressured" them to do it.  My plumber neighbor's wages went up as much if not for over the same period, he is not a union (nobody around these parts are).   Natural evolution!

Oh, we're back to "supply and demand". lol PHI's pay almost doubled overnight with the union contract. That's a good story about your plumber neighbor, though. lol And I wonder where all those hundreds of pilots were going to go? lol retard

if you want members, earn them!   You've got a long way to go, though!   And, holding Careflite pilots hostage for their forced dues is the only reasin you have any real cash to work with here.    

LOL 

If no agreement is reached at the end of the cooling off period, and absent Congressional action, the parties may engage in self-help; including, strikes "CHAOS™", lockouts, and company imposed unilateral changes in terms and conditions of employment.

https://www.contract2021.org/understanding-the-railway-labor-act/>

It can make any changes it wishes, but will not want to destroy its chance of surviving the long term health of the company.   whatever it imposes, it is the new CBA (ie, the green book), that is now binding on itself.   So, they will generally add changes in the language that make it easier to implememt future unilateral changes if needed.   PHI did that.   

In the end, it amounts to anything!

that didn't happen which doesn't help whatever it is you're trying to say.

did that contract come from. Think about it and get back to me.

the union. That's where the contract came from. No union, no contract. It's quite simple. It was a mistake to go on strike but PHI honored their final offer. They really didn't have much choice or they wouldn't have done it. PHI pilots were grossly underpaid and they saw the writing on the wall with Air Log. 

... like you said, they offered somethign they believed would be marketable.   The UNION had little power to do anything, it was all PHI's choice.   The union deserves no credit since they weren't a factor anymore.   The decision was completely up to the company, who rewrote their final offer before imposing the green book.   There were a lot of strike marks in the final offer going the green book.   And, currently, the company has complete control of it still.   If they wish to change it, the can simply do so!

the union deserves all the credit as unionization forced the company to bargaining table. We all know what the situation is now. PHI's pilot pay doubled because of the contract. That would have never happened if not for the union. What the company did or didn't do with their final offer isn't relevant. I'm pretty sure you're making that up as retroactive back pay was the hang up. What is relevant is the huge increase in pay and benefits the union regotiated and the company agreed to. End of story. To deny the union's role is denying reality. And Biden is your president, too. lol

just because the company broke the union doesn't mean it nullifies all the gains the unionization and negotiations brought about. For some reason you seem to think this, which, of course, is to deny reality. 

thanks to the union. next

doing a lot of work for you, buckwheat lol

they just have to stay ahead of other unionized outfits.  Pretty simple really.  What

provides it, obviously, is the existence of unions in the industry.

That would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. AMC could just contract training to FSI. I suppose that would be good for FSI. Hell maybe they're behind the push. Get your applications in early. 

They'll be standing around in ties with the flight safety guys. Opening doors and making coffee for the Air Methods pilots

FSI instructors make a helluva lot more than the AMC chumps.

good truck to contract all the field based training to FSI.  They have no way to do it.

Another idiot who has no perspective of scope