Msg ID:
2696129 |
Coulson Aviation +7/-1
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Author:Larz
7/13/2021 2:39:34 AM
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Been thinking about getting back into the fire world. Happened to be getting fuel from an FBO that had a Coulson CH47 positioned there for a fire and man.... What a slick looking operation. They reminded me of a Formula 1 team the way all of the trucks and equipment were maintained. Curious what it's actually like to work there. Domestic schedule and pay? How about international since I saw they were recently in Chile as well? Thanks in advance |
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Msg ID:
2696171 |
Doesn’t Matter +9/-1
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Author:Fire guy
7/13/2021 1:04:45 PM
Reply to: 2696170
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If you apply you'll get a job. Good outfor to work for. 12/12 schedule. captains 150 -170. Co pilots 80-120k. chasing summer around the world. travel on your days off. |
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Msg ID:
2696204 |
Coulson Aviation +7/-1
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Author:Fire guy
7/13/2021 6:02:51 PM
Reply to: 2696129
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You can get that job if you have a 234 type rating. You might be able to get that job if you're typed in something else, meet OAS carding requirements and they're hard up for pilots. Other than that your only hope is to be female or related to upper management to get pulled from the stack. The heavy utility world is hard up for quality pilots but at the same time cutthroat and hostile to letting the next generation in. |
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Msg ID:
2696212 |
Finally somebody gets it +0/-0
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Author:Secret
7/13/2021 7:12:35 PM
Reply to: 2696205
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Let me warn you, on several occasions I'll walk in on our medics office and they'll be pounding away on JH. I'm sure many others do as well to include FN's, so don't think for a minute that all these negative posts come from pilots. |
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Msg ID:
2696213 |
yeah, JH should put one of those +3/-0
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Author:login tests like
7/13/2021 7:27:43 PM
Reply to: 2696212
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"select all of the pictures with a stop sign". That would keep them out. |
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Msg ID:
2696214 |
Finally somebody gets it +0/-0
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Author:you don't seem to get
7/13/2021 8:24:46 PM
Reply to: 2696205
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he said you could get the job if you were qualified which is pretty standard I've found. You cannot get that job, bro. |
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Msg ID:
2696230 |
Finally somebody gets it +0/-0
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Author:not your bro
7/13/2021 10:01:08 PM
Reply to: 2696214
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dont want the job |
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Msg ID:
2696232 |
Finally somebody gets it +2/-1
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Author:You sure told me
7/13/2021 11:09:12 PM
Reply to: 2696230
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lol you stupid yutz |
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Msg ID:
2696369 |
Finally somebody gets it (NT) +0/-0
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Author:ouch that hurt, bro
7/14/2021 11:08:16 PM
Reply to: 2696232
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Msg ID:
2696386 |
Coulson Aviation +2/-1
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Author:SO TRUE!
7/15/2021 7:53:52 AM
Reply to: 2696204
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If you are female and not qualified, you seem to have more open doors in utility. Now make that a really attractive women, and you could be fresh out of the military or flight school and jump right into it.
Same goes for government/LEO/CDF- it's sad that the best qualified pilot does not get the job.
Might actually keep accidents down. |
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Msg ID:
2696402 |
Agree +0/-7
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Author:Anonymous
7/15/2021 9:26:42 AM
Reply to: 2696386
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For years I've chase Utility jobs with various operators. Ex-Mil with external load, including live hoists. 135 experience doing light construction lifts. ATP. Corporate, Charter & EMS work. Thousands of Civiian flight hours. Medium experience, Large experience including BlackHawk & Huey.
Yet each and every time I've talked to The Man, there's only two questions: You got Long Line time? No. You Carded? No. ...Have a nice day and don't let the door hit you where the Lord split you.
I guess the fresh-faced f e m a l e and the young bucks I see working these jobs in all the publicity stories were born with LL time and already Carded when the Doc spanked them in the delivery room. Eh?
And the Old Guys in the Club got there somehow, someway but they ain't gonna let anybody else in.
Now the Peanut Gallery will be along to hoot and holler. But it's true: If you know somebody or are a No-Time wannabee who will do whatever they tell you without question, or a f e m a l e diversity hire, then you might have a future in Ute. But if you are an otherwise experienced and qualified pilot looking to break into this segment of the industry, save your time, breath and effort. It ain't happening. |
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Msg ID:
2696409 |
Agree +1/-0
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Author:You are a poser.
7/15/2021 9:42:19 AM
Reply to: 2696402
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Haverfield and Temsco have trained hundreds of long line pilots from 0. And still do today. If you're not aware of this, it's glaringly obvious you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, bro. |
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Msg ID:
2696425 |
You have a point and I admit it +0/-1
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Author:Anonymous
7/15/2021 10:31:57 AM
Reply to: 2696409
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Yeah you are right in that T & H are among the few who will start a guy. But admit it, an experienced guy with a lot of background would lose out to a minimally qualified and experienced guy (enough hours to be insured and no more) if it came down to it. Because the operators want a guy who will do things exactly as they say, i.e., to unlearning to do, and also when there is some kind of safety or rules question the minimal guy knows he's a dime a dozen and will take the chance.
And I forgot to qualify that there is different kinds of ute, the hovering-over-powerlines thing 8 hours a day is not my thing. God bless those who can do it and want to, and all that, but it ain't me. Always wanted to fly fires and to do external/construction but those jobs go to the diversity hires, the noobs, and the Old Club Members. It is what it is. |
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Msg ID:
2696429 |
You have a point and I admit it +0/-0
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Author:uh, no
7/15/2021 10:37:42 AM
Reply to: 2696425
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I would not admit that. The guys that fly powerlines generally do not stay in powerlines. Same with Alaska. People don't generally stay there forever. They move on to the better jobs with less risk, less days and more pay. Do you really work in this business? Admit it: you're stuck because the word is out about you. |
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Msg ID:
2696430 |
Actually You’re Right +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
7/15/2021 10:38:49 AM
Reply to: 2696429
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I guess you're right. |
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Msg ID:
2696413 |
Agree +2/-0
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Author:Not old and bitter
7/15/2021 9:53:16 AM
Reply to: 2696402
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If you have all the experience you claim and can't get a utility job I think the problem might be you. The only way into the heavies is networking and long line time. If you have the LL time and can't get a shot then you probably have poor networking skills or people simply don't like you. |
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Msg ID:
2696420 |
So What You Are Saying Is +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
7/15/2021 10:21:02 AM
Reply to: 2696413
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That who you know and how you kiss up to people is more important than skill, qualifications, certifications, and experience when it comes to Utility operators hiring you. And I agree, they are. Glad you pointed this out. |
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Msg ID:
2696406 |
Coulson Aviation +0/-0
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Author:Only problem is
7/15/2021 9:37:13 AM
Reply to: 2696386
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that 99% of the time the accident pilot is male. So there goes that theory. |
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Msg ID:
2696421 |
Coulson Aviation +0/-0
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Author:DUh..
7/15/2021 10:21:36 AM
Reply to: 2696406
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Is that because 99% are male... |
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Msg ID:
2696423 |
Coulson Aviation +0/-0
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Author:okay, you just backed up my point
7/15/2021 10:26:56 AM
Reply to: 2696421
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you are saying women do not make up a larger share of the accidents relative to their number. Thanks. |
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Msg ID:
2696918 |
uhhhhh +2/-0
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Author:Another Old Guy
7/18/2021 11:51:12 PM
Reply to: 2696892
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Hey folks,
Diversity isn't a dirty word. This line of work should have room for everyone qualified for the job. Now retired, l flew mediums for my whole working life(nearly fifty years), and learned that employers aren't looking for the " ace of the base". They want steady, professional pilots who can work with and get along with customers and co workers. Long line skills can be mastered by nearly everyone given proper training and time to become proficient. It is not a black art.
Type one machines offer a less experienced pilot the opportunity to fly as second in command for a season or two, thus avoiding the "on the job training" most of us experienced in our early years. So..perhaps one should see the mentoring of newer pilots as a sign of progress in this industry.
The airlines have plenty of female captains, perhaps it's time for our industry to look there for inspiration.
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Msg ID:
2697362 |
Coulson Aviation +0/-0
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Author:Not bad
7/23/2021 4:53:41 AM
Reply to: 2696129
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Worked with one of their crew last year, nice guys. Did see any female employees, not sure where all the hate is coming from |
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