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Msg ID: 2696014 Wildfire Crash +0/-0     
Author:Michael Martin Murphy
7/11/2021 3:38:11 PM

https://www.wnd.com/2021/07/plane-carrying-firemen-crashes-uncontrolled-az-wildfire/

 



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Msg ID: 2696034 Wildfire Crash +0/-0     
Author:FormerAirAttack
7/11/2021 8:02:00 PM

Reply to: 2696014

Sad, witnesses said it shucked a blade. RIP



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Msg ID: 2696045 Wildfire Crash +0/-0     
Author:Romantic Ron
7/11/2021 11:14:10 PM

Reply to: 2696034

I thought all their airplanes for that work were twins.  Shucing a propeller blade just means shut the engine down, not dive into the ground.



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Msg ID: 2696055 Wildfire Crash +0/-0     
Author:FormerAirAttack
7/12/2021 6:37:09 AM

Reply to: 2696045

Sorry,it was my feeble attempt to relate a fixed wing issue to a rotor board. "Shucked a blade" was meant to mean rotor blade which is the rotor equivalent of a wing.



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Msg ID: 2696046 Wildfire Crash +0/-0     
Author:Fixed wing
7/11/2021 11:16:42 PM

Reply to: 2696034
The lady witness saw the airplane cicling, thought it was a Turkey vulture, then descibe a steep decent with a wing breaking away prior to impact said the local news. RIP


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Msg ID: 2696051 Wildfire Crash +0/-0     
Author:Sad news
7/12/2021 1:40:13 AM

Reply to: 2696046

https://fireaviation.com/

 

The front page article references the BLM account of the wing coming off prior to the crash.



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Msg ID: 2696071 Wildfire Crash +5/-0     
Author:WOW
7/12/2021 10:13:30 AM

Reply to: 2696051

Not being critical AT all, BUT that part of flying sure has alot of accidents in a short period of tim the past to seasons.  RIP to all!!



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Msg ID: 2696148 Wildfire Crash +8/-1     
Author:oldNtired
7/13/2021 10:32:25 AM

Reply to: 2696071

"I believe" Part of the problem is the agencies themselves.  For years they have been militarizing operations.  I'm not saying briefings and organization is a bad thing but the way it's went about seems to give cause.  I haven't been involved for a few years but the last project fire I was on (a firebase) was just that, a RVN firebase.  Fork lifts, people all over, hollering, directing and naturally RLOs running all over giving orders.  Every fire seemed to rise to the level of a major enemy attack and everyone about to be overun.  To make a point, it seems that overzealousness seems to create the senario for accidents.  If a life is at stake,  take the chance within reason.  If not just fight the fire and quit looking for opportunites to be a hero.  



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Msg ID: 2696263 Wildfire Crash +0/-0     
Author:to be fair...
7/14/2021 12:06:41 PM

Reply to: 2696148

I don't think the non-stop BS is creating an unsafe environment.  It just leads to widespread inefficiency and bigger fires. 

Everything you said is true, I just don't see it as unsafe.



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