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Msg ID: 2690789 helicopter aviation +5/-16     
Author:legitimate question
5/31/2021 2:06:10 AM

Does it hurt to get out of bed and go into a job you hate? I still love to fly so I wouldn't know. 

 

Like, does it hurt to put in a long day? Just email the area manager and make him tell you it is legal to fly past 14 and how to go about doing it. Boom, theres the liability angle covered. Send it to your local FSDO if it isn't enough for you. 

 

Fly the damn helicopter and love it. Or I will find you. 



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Msg ID: 2690790 helicopter aviation +8/-5     
Author:2 Shoes
5/31/2021 2:44:33 AM

Reply to: 2690789

Maybe time away from work doesn't appeal to you. Or reasonable rest. Good for you.



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Msg ID: 2690792 helicopter aviation +2/-4     
Author:BS
5/31/2021 7:43:09 AM

Reply to: 2690790

No its not legal to fly past 14 hours with a passenger on board. your area manger works for the company you for you are emplyed by. Its not his or her certificate on the line its yours. 

One caviat you may fly past the 14 hours if you are allrady enroute to your home base then you canoot report to work the next day until you have the specifed rest period according to the 135 limitations or part 121. 



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Msg ID: 2690886 helicopter aviation +2/-0     
Author:To...BS
5/31/2021 8:28:35 PM

Reply to: 2690792

Yes it is legal to fly over 14 hours with pax on board. We do it in HEMS occasionaly. Now it can't be planned, but delay due to weather or patient condition allows extension to 15 hours. When it happens I am glad for the OT. I like to work every hour I can on my week on, and my company leaves me alone on my week off. Seems like a fair deal to me.



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Msg ID: 2690889 helicopter aviation +0/-0     
Author:You should be getting ot after 12
5/31/2021 8:34:11 PM

Reply to: 2690886

on your way home after 14. You work for a crap operation. Sorry.



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Msg ID: 2690807 helicopter aviation +1/-2     
Author:So
5/31/2021 11:05:08 AM

Reply to: 2690790

7/7 not good enough?



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Msg ID: 2690798 I知 kinda with you +3/-4     
Author:Anonymous
5/31/2021 10:10:42 AM

Reply to: 2690789

If I ran an op...and yeah, I don't, and you're glad I don't, and frankly I'm glad, too...I think I could stop a lot of the b*tching and moaning.

First I'd interview guys by looking at their certs, running an FAA check on them for accidents/incidents, and if those 2 hoops were jumped through, I'd ask them to explain the crew rest provisions of 135.

Based on the bullsh*t on this Forum, that's something 99% of you D*ckBra*ns have some problem with. 

...and anybody who does, doesn't have the brainpower to push a grass mower, much less fly a helicopter. 

I'd have one rule: No Complaining to anyone except me, the DirOps. Open Door Policy: Any questions, call me directly and we'll clear them up then and there, followed by an email communication to e-e-e-e-verybody, who might just have the same concerns but not the co-joe-nees to voice them. That way e-e-e-e-everybody learns. 

I'd enforce the no-complaining rule by the Gestapo system: Anybody who overheard complaints on the job site would be required to inform me secretly, after which the complainer would be terminated immediately. And anybody who heard of anybody not reporting a complainer would be required to inform me secretly, so that both the complainer and the non-reporter would be terminated. This wonderfully simple system worked great for a whole 12 years in Not-See (can't say "N  a  z  i") Germany, and just think how much time would be saved on the job site from the elimination of idle and distracting chatter. 

Legit complainers--i.e., those who followed the rules and called me--would either have their complaints addressed by implementing their suggested change, or be told why it couldn't be done, through reference to the regulations, which would be clearly explained to them, and shown to them. After which, they'd be required to explain it back, and sign a piece of paper that they understood. Non-compliance with this procedure would result in--you guessed it: termination.

Now this little Utopia I've described is probably too harsh, much much too harsh, for all you Flower Children Geriatrics, Mushroom-Pickers, Folks in Touch With Your Feminine Side (which includes some, but not all, of the Feminine Gender--we don't discriminate, our Pilots would be expected to act as if they had co-joe-nees, whether they actually do or not...), and last but not least, the Modern Era Snowflakes of all shapes, sizes, physical descriptions, educational backgrounds, experience and/or political orientaion. But I bet it would suit the good old-fashioned Working Pilots just fine. 

Have a Nice Day. 



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Msg ID: 2690804 I知 kinda with you +1/-2     
Author:Sounds good...
5/31/2021 10:54:30 AM

Reply to: 2690798

With one problem. If the director of ops Doesn't juggle all of those balls flawlessly things will fall apart. You basically just described what SMS is supposed to be, along with an accountability culture. The one difference being that concerns complaints etc. are supposed to go to the SMS then routed to the director of ops so that they can be tracked in case the director of ops forgets to follow up on them, fails to notice patterns, or fails to take sufficient action in a valid concern. Likewise for the director of maintenance etc. Any system where power is concentrated without a check and balance is highly vulnerable to failure.

There's nothing wrong with holding people accountable for meeting expectations as long as expectations are clearly defined.

 



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Msg ID: 2690806 I知 kinda with you +2/-1     
Author:Mr I have a plan
5/31/2021 11:04:03 AM

Reply to: 2690798

Enjoy never being happy. 



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Msg ID: 2690811 I知 kinda with you (NT) +0/-1     
Author:good job
5/31/2021 11:30:52 AM

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Msg ID: 2690910 I do and, funny thing is... +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
6/1/2021 12:00:32 AM

Reply to: 2690806

...it kinda makes me happy



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Msg ID: 2690822 I知 kinda with you +0/-0     
Author:Eeyore
5/31/2021 1:13:46 PM

Reply to: 2690798

Your system that you said worked for 12 years, only worked under the threat of death. Anything else can't work at the level you describe without the certain threat of death. Not only that, some complaining serves to let off steam. The ones who don't complain are the ones saving their energy for action. 



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Msg ID: 2690852 I thought the pilot's pastime was complaining? +0/-0     
Author:14 hours, then off to the bar
5/31/2021 3:56:24 PM

Reply to: 2690798
To complain about their bad lot in life.


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Msg ID: 2690853 Iiving In A Pastime Paradise (NT) +0/-0     
Author:It's a Wonder
5/31/2021 4:13:06 PM

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Msg ID: 2690882 I知 kinda with you +2/-1     
Author:Ok, Mr Mitty
5/31/2021 7:53:35 PM

Reply to: 2690798

One of many problems with your missive, not enough "old fashioned working pilots" in the hiring pool.

That's why nobody'd let you within kilometers of "running an op." You'd fail spectacularly. Not because you're a jackazz (although you definitely are), but because you don't understand business in the actual world. You'd have no employees. It's all theory and delusion to you. That's why you've always been, and always will be, just working for the man™.



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Msg ID: 2690909 I got some good news for you +0/-1     
Author:Anonymous
5/31/2021 11:59:13 PM

Reply to: 2690882

Midol is buy one get one free this week at Walgreens



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Msg ID: 2690810 helicopter aviation (NT) +1/-3     
Author:just do your job and be grateful
5/31/2021 11:30:18 AM

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Msg ID: 2690884 helicopter aviation +1/-0     
Author:Start
5/31/2021 8:13:23 PM

Reply to: 2690789

searching sweetheart



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