| Msg ID: 2690783 |
135.267 (d) +0/-1
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| Author:Near
5/31/2021 12:01:29 AM |
10 consecutive hours of rest in the previous 24. |
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| Msg ID: 2690784 |
Yup, for Part 135 ops, not Part.91 ops! Very easy to apply (NT) +0/-2
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| Author:Drop the medcrew, you're not 135
5/31/2021 12:06:46 AM Reply to: 2690783 |
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| Msg ID: 2690785 |
Yup, for Part 135 ops, not Part.91 ops! Very easy to apply (NT) +0/-2
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| Author:Drop the medcrew, you're not 135
5/31/2021 12:06:56 AM Reply to: 2690783 |
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| Msg ID: 2690786 |
135.267 (d) +3/-0
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| Author:Oy
5/31/2021 12:14:15 AM Reply to: 2690783 |
Includes all commercial flying. |
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| Msg ID: 2690791 |
Nope. You can be a commercial pilot under Padr 91! (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
5/31/2021 4:10:44 AM Reply to: 2690786 |
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| Msg ID: 2690795 |
Isn't most ENG flying Part 91? Mom & pop tours? (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Pipeline patrols?
5/31/2021 8:41:23 AM Reply to: 2690786 |
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| Msg ID: 2690823 |
Isn't most ENG flying Part 91? Mom & pop tours? +1/-1
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| Author:Regman
5/31/2021 1:15:43 PM Reply to: 2690795 |
The 135 rest limits include all commercial flying. Not just 135 legs. |
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| Msg ID: 2690828 |
No it doesnt! +2/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
5/31/2021 1:29:17 PM Reply to: 2690823 |
Commercial flying is added to totals limited by 135.263, not 135.267. Commercial flying is not factored into REST requirements. REST requirements are on a 24 hour look-back needing 10 hours of REST. DUTY is not REST, so you cannot count DUTY as satisfying the REST lookback. Nothing at all to do with "Commercial flying". They are looking for DUTY. Where do you come up with this made up stuff? |
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| Msg ID: 2690838 |
No it doesnt! +0/-0
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| Author:Regman
5/31/2021 1:53:38 PM Reply to: 2690828 |
You are limited to 8 hours single pilot during a 14 hour duty day. Your plan allows a pilot to continue past 14 hours, until he exceeds 8 hours by less than 30 minutes, more than 30 minutes, and more than an hour, which clearly cannot be the intent of the regulation. |
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| Msg ID: 2690840 |
NOT CORRECT! You are limited to 8 hrs flight time for 135 flying! +0/-0
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| Author:You can fly all the Part 91 you want to
5/31/2021 2:01:20 PM Reply to: 2690838 |
And have NO DUTY limitations! |
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| Msg ID: 2690841 |
So Under Your Plan You Can Put In Your +2/-0
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| Author:14 Hours of Duty Time, And Then
5/31/2021 2:18:45 PM Reply to: 2690840 |
Fly the company aircraft on a multi leg cross country, at the direction of the company, to swap out that aircraft with another, or any other reason, as long as there is no passenger or other crew on board. You would also be subject to all company policies, GOM, fuel samples, flight releases etc. Such restraint could in no way be considered rest, therefore must be considered duty time, but ignored in your no rest plan. |
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| Msg ID: 2690843 |
5here is no FAR limiting duty to 14 hours! None! +0/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
5/31/2021 2:50:06 PM Reply to: 2690841 |
Not even FAR 135.267(c). Because, even there, if the certificate holder doesn't maintain regularly assigned duty periods of 14 hours or less, it REVERTS to FAR 135.267(d) [10 hour rest in 24 hr lookback] It is not about DUTY LIMITATION, it is about REST REQUIREMENTS. I can get off DUTY, get 8 hours of good REST (or less even), come back to work and be on DUTY another 10, 12, 14, whatever flying. Just can't fly Part 135! |
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| Msg ID: 2690850 |
5here is no FAR limiting duty to 14 hours! None! +1/-1
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| Author:Restraint
5/31/2021 3:38:57 PM Reply to: 2690843 |
Off duty with no restraint. Rest must be a continuous 10 hours to qualify as proper rest. The 14 hour duty day IS a requirement in which no more than 8 hours of all commercial single pilot flying must take place. Under your plan, you can put in a 14 hour duty day, then continue commercial flying indefinitely as long as it's part 91. It would have to be free from all restraint as well, to qualify as not duty in excess of 14 hours. |
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| Msg ID: 2690856 |
Are you still on duty? Yes. Are you flying 135 anymore? No. +2/-0
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| Author:FAA doesn't care U'r still on duty then!
5/31/2021 4:24:44 PM Reply to: 2690850 |
They care that when you Finally do get off of duty, that you get the required uninterrupted rest of 10 hours looking back in the last 24 before you again pilot an aircraft for Part 135 operations! They absolutely don't care that you are still on duty, they are not the Department Of Labor or union CBA arbiters |
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| Msg ID: 2690844 |
GOM is a requirement for Part of 135 operations, (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:NOT Part 91 Operations!
5/31/2021 2:51:57 PM Reply to: 2690841 |
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| Msg ID: 2690848 |
GOM is a requirement for Part of 135 operations, +0/-0
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| Author:Indecent Proposal
5/31/2021 3:32:41 PM Reply to: 2690844 |
So, if I understand what you are saying, is that the company cannot and will not enforce the GOM, or any other type of policy as a restraint, in their aircraft, if you are conducting part 91 operations outside of your 14 hour duty day. Is that what you are proposing? |
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| Msg ID: 2690854 |
If you understood correctly, you'd have said tbe FAA won't cite you (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:for 135 violations that aren't required
5/31/2021 4:17:10 PM Reply to: 2690848 |
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| Msg ID: 2691436 |
You are not conducting Part 91 "outside" your Duty Day! It's (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:still Duty, but not restricted to 14 hrs
6/5/2021 10:33:15 AM Reply to: 2690848 |
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| Msg ID: 2691562 |
You are not conducting Part 91 "outside" your Duty Day! It's +0/-0
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| Author:Sealy
6/6/2021 12:19:06 AM Reply to: 2691436 |
You are Limited as single pilot to 8 hours of flying in a 14 hour charter(part 135) duty day. That includes all commercial flying. Any flying for the company who is paying you must cease after 8 hours of flying. Repositioning in this case would certainly be a violation. Plenty of pilots have been fired for it, and violated for it. Neither can your company legally direct you to fly longer, even if it is without patients or med crew. |
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| Msg ID: 2691612 |
Nope, not true. +3/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
6/6/2021 11:24:22 AM Reply to: 2691562 |
There is no limitation to commercial flight time or duty time under Part 91 There is a limit to 8 hours of flight time for a pilot of Part 135 operations, and that pilot must include all commercial flying in those totals when applying it to Part 135, but not to Part 91 operations. You can exceed the 8 hour limitation in Part 135 if the certificate holder schedules you in regularly assigned duty periods of no more than 14 hours under 135.267(c), but if you can't follow 135.267(c), you simply re ert to 135.267(d) 24 hour look-back and 8 hour flight time limitation (for anyb135 flying) You are not limited to 14 hours of duty or 8 hours of flight time simply because you are a "commercial pilot". That is made up nonsense! |
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| Msg ID: 2690858 |
135.267 (d) +1/-1
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| Author:Utility slug
5/31/2021 4:30:04 PM Reply to: 2690783 |
I will wager once you HAA types have your pay tied to Hobbs times your BS about 14 hours will disappear. Really, 14 hours when you sleep, play video games and wash your cars.... get back to me when 10 hours in the seat means $1200 |
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| Msg ID: 2690868 |
135.267 (d) +3/-0
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| Author:woken at 0230 every nite
5/31/2021 6:12:28 PM Reply to: 2690858 |
you utility rats are in bed playing with your wieners when the call comes in at 0230 circradian low central...go hit a wire you f-uket phace |
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| Msg ID: 2690878 |
Oh no!!! My circadian low light is illuminated +0/-0
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| Author:...mayday mayday, mayday
5/31/2021 7:21:44 PM Reply to: 2690868 |
hahaha, it just gets better and better. |
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| Msg ID: 2690895 |
You came to work rested.from your DAY OFF! Maybe it's the (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:being "awoken" that's de problem here
5/31/2021 9:06:43 PM Reply to: 2690868 |
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| Msg ID: 2690896 |
Easy solution.... no night shifts. Only two pilot's needed (NT) +1/-0
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| Author:per base now. Go see HR
5/31/2021 9:15:13 PM Reply to: 2690868 |
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| Msg ID: 2690898 |
Why are you sleeping at work? (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Really?
5/31/2021 9:19:29 PM Reply to: 2690868 |
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| Msg ID: 2690904 |
Why are you sleeping at work? +0/-0
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| Author:Because
5/31/2021 10:35:38 PM Reply to: 2690898 |
I customarily sleep at night. Works out good. |
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| Msg ID: 2690919 |
So, you are saying, YOU don't adjust your circadian cycle and expecf +0/-0
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| Author:your employer to accommodate you
6/1/2021 8:10:31 AM Reply to: 2690904 |
Not visa versa? |
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| Msg ID: 2691022 |
So, you are saying, YOU don't adjust your circadian cycle and expecf +0/-0
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| Author:Yes
6/2/2021 11:17:21 AM Reply to: 2690919 |
You catch on quick |
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| Msg ID: 2691027 |
Hey, company, hire me for night shift work, but let me sleep (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:And don't expect much productivity
6/2/2021 11:53:35 AM Reply to: 2691022 |
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| Msg ID: 2691125 |
Hey, company, hire me for night shift work, but let me sleep +0/-0
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| Author:Tones go off, I produce
6/3/2021 9:29:12 AM Reply to: 2691027 |
no tones, I sleep. We're not making auto parts here, bro. |
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| Msg ID: 2691129 |
But you were also complaining about your broken (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:circadian rhythms, so.....
6/3/2021 10:18:08 AM Reply to: 2691125 |
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| Msg ID: 2691131 |
But you were also complaining about your broken +0/-0
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| Author:my rhythms
6/3/2021 10:32:09 AM Reply to: 2691129 |
are just fine, thanks |
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| Msg ID: 2691132 |
So stop complaining about getting woken up at 0230 (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:You have choices , you know!
6/3/2021 11:05:11 AM Reply to: 2691131 |
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| Msg ID: 2691135 |
So stop complaining about getting woken up at 0230 +0/-0
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| Author:I didn't do that
6/3/2021 11:36:21 AM Reply to: 2691132 |
either wut the hell is wrong with you dude lol |
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| Msg ID: 2691149 |
Well, following the thread chain backwards a few levels, you did +0/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
6/3/2021 12:32:23 PM Reply to: 2691135 |
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| Msg ID: 2691189 |
Well, following the thread chain backwards a few levels, you did +0/-0
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| Author:lol
6/3/2021 4:20:44 PM Reply to: 2691149 |
you stupid twat |
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| Msg ID: 2691302 |
This was you: +0/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
6/4/2021 9:31:20 AM Reply to: 2691189 |
http://originalforum.justhelicopters.com/DisplayMsgJH.asp?ForumID=23&Msgid=26908 |
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| Msg ID: 2690936 |
there's a whole world out there working +0/-3
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| Author:night/graveyard shifts that
6/1/2021 11:18:49 AM Reply to: 2690904 |
aren't sleeping skippy. Maybe you need to find another line of work. |
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| Msg ID: 2691095 |
there's a whole world out there working +0/-0
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| Author:Too bad they’re employer
6/2/2021 9:56:39 PM Reply to: 2690936 |
doesn't give them a bed to sleep in, like mine does. |
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