| Msg ID: 2690605 |
Heard you can go beyond 14 hours under Part 135 (NT) +0/-1
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| Author:That true? Why need Part 91 then?
5/29/2021 11:24:59 AM |
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| Msg ID: 2690606 |
Because you can't plan to under 135, but can under 91 (NT) +2/-2
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| Author:Drop the medcrew, you're not 135
5/29/2021 11:27:09 AM Reply to: 2690605 |
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| Msg ID: 2690612 |
Can’t plan to go over 14 hour duty period under any circumstances +3/-0
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| Author:per FAA and Company. If go over
5/29/2021 12:30:28 PM Reply to: 2690606 |
After accepting the flight then go over 14 hours whether part 91 or part 135 and FAA and Company say that for those legs 135 rules apply with Medcrew or not, if it's part of my regulrly scheduled duty period. Can I use part 91 weather for that leg though? What about IFR rules? that repo leg is not part 91 because you are still on duty as it's a directive of company and were not released from the duty period with the required 10 hours of rest. |
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| Msg ID: 2690619 |
If you are Part 91, THERE ARE NO DUTY limitations. (NT) +1/-0
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| Author:You are Part 91
5/29/2021 1:18:54 PM Reply to: 2690612 |
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| Msg ID: 2690626 |
BUT you are NOT Part 91. You are STILL Part 135 per definition (NT) +1/-1
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| Author:Of DUTY....
5/29/2021 2:42:55 PM Reply to: 2690619 |
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| Msg ID: 2690636 |
Not if you drop the medcrews and patient, per definition +1/-0
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| Author:See FAR 135.601(b)(1)
5/29/2021 4:18:50 PM Reply to: 2690626 |
"...with a patient or medical personnel on board..." |
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| Msg ID: 2690639 |
Still on DUTY per definition of DUTY, yes, but not Part 135 (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:No DUTY limitations for Part 91 ops
5/29/2021 5:10:53 PM Reply to: 2690626 |
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| Msg ID: 2690621 |
Per FAA?? Where is that written??? (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
5/29/2021 1:46:41 PM Reply to: 2690612 |
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| Msg ID: 2690628 |
Are you still BANNED from the Union forum??? (NT) +1/-0
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| Author:We all see why....
5/29/2021 2:43:58 PM Reply to: 2690621 |
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| Msg ID: 2690635 |
You banned someone for calling out your lunacy?? (NT) +1/-0
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| Author:Wow, unions are as bad as they said!
5/29/2021 4:15:41 PM Reply to: 2690628 |
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| Msg ID: 2690632 |
Per FAA?? Where is that written??? +1/-1
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| Author:"here you go"
5/29/2021 3:52:15 PM Reply to: 2690629 |
§135.601 Applicability and definitions.(a) Applicability. This subpart prescribes the requirements applicable to each certificate holder conducting helicopter air ambulance operations. (b) Definitions. For purposes of this subpart, the following definitions apply: (1) Helicopter air ambulance operation means a flight, or sequence of flights, with a patient or medical personnel on board, for the purpose of medical transportation, by a part 135 certificate holder authorized by the Administrator to conduct helicopter air ambulance operations. A helicopter air ambulance operation includes, but is not limited to— (i) Flights conducted to position the helicopter at the site at which a patient or donor organ will be picked up. (ii) Flights conducted to reposition the helicopter after completing the patient, or donor organ transport. (iii) Flights initiated for the transport of a patient or donor organ that are terminated due to weather or other reasons. (2) Medical personnel means a person or persons with medical training, including but not limited to flight physicians, flight nurses, or flight paramedics, who are carried aboard a helicopter during helicopter air ambulance operations in order to provide medical care. (3) Mountainous means designated mountainous areas as listed in part 95 of this chapter. (4) Nonmountainous means areas other than mountainous areas as listed in part 95 of this chapter. |
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| Msg ID: 2690654 |
Per FAA?? Where is that written??? +0/-0
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| Author:Read the rest
5/29/2021 11:24:03 PM Reply to: 2690632 |
You already copy pasted it...now read it |
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| Msg ID: 2690667 |
Read it, it applicable WHEN MEDICAL CREWMEMBERS (NT) +0/-1
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| Author:or PATIENT is aboard! Not all the time
5/30/2021 8:41:41 AM Reply to: 2690654 |
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| Msg ID: 2690773 |
Read it, it applicable WHEN MEDICAL CREWMEMBERS +0/-0
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| Author:So you didn’t
5/30/2021 10:44:31 PM Reply to: 2690667 |
ACTUALLY read. "A helicopte (i) Flights conducted to position the helicopte (ii) Flights conducted to reposition the helicopte (iii) Flights initiated for the transport of a patient or donor organ that are terminated due to weather or other reasons." |
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| Msg ID: 2690794 |
Why did you ERASE the important part that destroys your +0/-1
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| Author:premise?
5/31/2021 8:29:39 AM Reply to: 2690773 |
The Part where is says: 'with medical crewmembers or patient aboard..."? Can't actually READ what you're hiding!! |
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| Msg ID: 2690905 |
Why did you ERASE the important part that destroys your +0/-0
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| Author:So you still didn’t read
5/31/2021 10:54:06 PM Reply to: 2690794 |
I didn't erase the important and relevant part, I QUOTED it. |
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| Msg ID: 2690953 |
5his is the relevant part, and you didn't quote it, +0/-0
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| Author:you left it out:
6/1/2021 2:37:23 PM Reply to: 2690905 |
FAR 135.601(b)
(1) Helicopter air ambulance operation means a flight, or sequence of flights, |
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| Msg ID: 2690796 |
How did you go from this, to that??? +1/-1
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| Author:FAR 135.601(b)!!
5/31/2021 9:04:09 AM Reply to: 2690773 |
How did you legitimately go from this? b) Definitions. For purposes of this subpart, the following definitions apply: (1) Helicopter air ambulance operation means a flight, or sequence of flights, with a patient or medical personnel on board, for the purpose of medical transportation, by a part 135 certificate holder authorized by the Administrator to conduct helicopter air ambulance operations. A helicopter air ambulance operation includes, but is not limited to— (i) Flights conducted to position the helicopter at the site at which a patient or donor organ will be picked up. (ii) Flights conducted to reposition the helicopter after completing the patient, or donor organ transport. (iii) Flights initiated for the transport of a patient or donor organ that are terminated due to weather or other reasons. To THIS? b) Definitions. For purposes of this subpart, the following definitions apply: (1) Helicopter air ambulance operation includes, but is not limited to— (i) Flights conducted to position the helicopter at the site at which a patient or donor organ will be picked up. (ii) Flights conducted to reposition the helicopter after completing the patient, or donor organ transport. (iii) Flights initiated for the transport of a patient or donor organ that are terminated due to weather or other reasons. Talk about falsifying information!! The original published definition in 135.601(b) tells you what the term means, and includes situations where once flying with medical crewmembers under Part 91 was permitted since they are company employees. Your dishonest presto-chango changed the definition to say HAA is those three things and leaves out the basic definition altogether! When Subpart L was adopted, it was to now include flights WITH MEDICAL CREWMEMBERS ABOARD, those flights that were once often done under Part 91. You are totally MISREPRESENTING the facts and regulations!! |
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| Msg ID: 2691272 |
Man-o-man, the mental gymnastics you go through!! +0/-0
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| Author:(substitution of definition into phrase)
6/4/2021 12:14:04 AM Reply to: 2690773 |
§135.601 Applicability and definitions.(b) Definitions. For purposes of this subpart, the following definitions apply: (1) Helicopter air ambulance operation means a flight, or sequence of flights, with a patient or medical personnel on board, for the purpose of medical transportation, by a part 135 certificate holder authorized by the Administrator to conduct helicopter air ambulance operations. A [flight, or sequence of flights, with a patient or medical personnel on board, for the purpose of medical transportation, by a part 135 certificate holder authorized by the Administrator to conduct helicopter air ambulance operations] includes, but is not limited to— (i) Flights conducted to position the helicopter at the site at which a patient or donor organ will be picked up. (ii) Flights conducted to reposition the helicopter after completing the patient, or donor organ transport. (iii) Flights initiated for the transport of a patient or donor organ that are terminated due to weather or other reasons.
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| Msg ID: 2690634 |
Per FAA?? Applicability.... ?? +1/-1
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| Author:Anonymous
5/29/2021 4:05:11 PM Reply to: 2690629 |
§135.601 Applicability and definitions. (a) Applicability. This subpart prescribes the requirements applicable to each certificate holder conducting helicopter air ambulance operations. (b) Definitions. For purposes of this subpart, the following definitions apply: (1) Helicopter air ambulance operation means a flight, or sequence of flights, with a patient or medical personnel on board, for the purpose of medical transportation, by a part 135 certificate holder authorized by the Administrator to conduct helicopter air ambulance operations. A helicopter air ambulance operation includes, but is not limited to— (i) Flights conducted to position the helicopter at the site at which a patient or donor organ will be picked up. (ii) Flights conducted to reposition the helicopter after completing the patient, or donor organ transport. (iii) Flights initiated for the transport of a patient or donor organ that are terminated due to weather or other reasons. (2) Medical personnel means a person or persons with medical training, including but not limited to flight physicians, flight nurses, or flight paramedics, who are carried aboard a helicopter during helicopter air ambulance operations in order to provide medical care. (3) Mountainous means designated mountainous areas as listed in part 95 of this chapter. (4) Nonmountainous means areas other than mountainous areas as listed in part 95 of this chapter. If they are NOT on board, it's NOT applicable. |
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| Msg ID: 2690637 |
Here: +1/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
5/29/2021 4:29:32 PM Reply to: 2690629 |
§135.601 Applicability and definitions. (a) Applicability. This subpart prescribes the requirements applicable to each certificate holder conducting helicopter air ambulance operations. (b) Definitions. For purposes of this subpart, the following definitions apply: (1) Helicopter air ambulance operation means a flight, or sequence of flights, with a patient or medical personnel on board, for the purpose of medical transportation, by a part 135 certificate holder authorized by the Administrator to conduct helicopter air ambulance operations. A helicopter air ambulance operation includes, but is not limited to— (i) Flights [or sequence of flights, with a patient or medical personnel on board] conducted to position the helicopter at the site at which a patient or donor organ will be picked up. (ii) Flights [or sequence of flights, with medical personnel on board] conducted to reposition the helicopter after completing the patient, or donor organ transport. (iii) Flights [or sequence of flights, with medical personnel on board] initiated for the transport of a patient or donor organ that are terminated due to weather or other reasons. (2) Medical personnel means a person or persons with medical training, including but not limited to flight physicians, flight nurses, or flight paramedics, who are carried aboard a helicopter during helicopter air ambulance operations in order to provide medical care. (3) Mountainous means designated mountainous areas as listed in part 95 of this chapter. (4) Nonmountainous means areas other than mountainous areas as listed in part 95 of this chapter. |
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| Msg ID: 2690652 |
117.3-only definition outside of legal rulings.If that leg is at directive (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Of company, it’s still DUTY not 91
5/29/2021 11:11:27 PM Reply to: 2690651 |
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| Msg ID: 2690669 |
Who cares what definition of DUTY is, since you are not limited (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:by DUTY under Part 91 operations
5/30/2021 8:44:00 AM Reply to: 2690651 |
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| Msg ID: 2690685 |
Because FAA says you are STILL In DUTY until free from ALL +0/-0
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| Author:Directive&Restraint
5/30/2021 11:06:12 AM Reply to: 2690669 |
Chief General Counsel says that repo leg is a directive of Certificate Holder, so 135 rules for that DUTY PERIOD still apply. "Free" from "ALL" are words you should learn... |
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| Msg ID: 2690688 |
Chief Council didn't say that! BS he did. +0/-0
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| Author:He might have said....
5/30/2021 11:09:23 AM Reply to: 2690685 |
... it's still duty, but he didn't say that that Part 91noperation still required the pilot to end his DUTY at 14 hours. There is no duty limitations for Part 91! |
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| Msg ID: 2690695 |
Agree. Except your still 135 according to what He did say... (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Where’s ur request for ruling?
5/30/2021 11:33:27 AM Reply to: 2690688 |
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| Msg ID: 2690727 |
Nope! Not correct! See Slater 2015 (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
5/30/2021 3:04:34 PM Reply to: 2690695 |
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| Msg ID: 2690631 |
Absolutely, don't let these guys scare you. +4/-0
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| Author:Just tell the FAA you were
5/29/2021 3:46:47 PM Reply to: 2690605 |
flying for fun, not profit. |
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| Msg ID: 2690643 |
Kidd Interpretation letter +0/-0
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| Author:FAA response
5/29/2021 9:21:54 PM Reply to: 2690605 |
See question 2.... |
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| Msg ID: 2690648 |
Question 2 is discussing effect on delay for continued +0/-0
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| Author:Part 135 operations, not Part 91 ops
5/29/2021 10:42:14 PM Reply to: 2690643 |
The affect on delays allow you to continue if you originally planned the Part 135 within the 14 hours (providing you with the required REST). Tbe discussion is can you plan to end the Part 135 within the 14 hours, then continue Part 91? Kidd (2012) doesn't provide that answer. Slater (2015), however, does provide that answer. The answer being YES you can operate Part 91 which has no 24 hour look-back REST requirement. |
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| Msg ID: 2690650 |
It’s Kidd 2017 FYI and it says no plan beyond 14 but can continue beyond 14 (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Part 135...not 91
5/29/2021 11:03:05 PM Reply to: 2690648 |
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| Msg ID: 2690657 |
It’s Kidd 2017 FYI and it says no plan beyond 14 but can continue beyond 14 (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:stabbar
5/30/2021 12:31:26 AM Reply to: 2690650 |
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| Msg ID: 2690666 |
Kidd 2017 is discussing 135.267(c) not (d). +0/-0
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| Author:You can plan to end Part 135 somewhere
5/30/2021 8:39:49 AM Reply to: 2690657 |
... within the 14 hrs of duty, then plan to continue after that Part 91 (ie, without medical crewmembers or patient) just like ANY OTHER Part 135 certificate holder can. 5he only thing making HAA special is when the medical crewmembers or patient is aboard. If you PLAN to leave them somewhere within 14 hrs, you can then PLAN to continue under Part 91 afterwards. Like, the legs to go get fuel, or get back to the base after leaving a NICU/PICU team you picked up elsewhere, etc. You are NOT duty limited to 14 hours conducting Part 91 operations. See Slater (2015) |
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| Msg ID: 2690694 |
Slater is flight time not duty time. Yes, those legs are part of your DUTY (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Can you use 91 weather rules those legs?
5/30/2021 11:32:41 AM Reply to: 2690666 |
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| Msg ID: 2690728 |
PART 91 is PART 91! (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:PART 91 is NOT Part 135
5/30/2021 3:06:07 PM Reply to: 2690694 |
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| Msg ID: 2690673 |
Kidd is discussing the planning for Part 135 ops and extensions, +0/-0
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| Author:NOT any Part 91 operations PLANNED
5/30/2021 9:35:22 AM Reply to: 2690650 |
It is considering only the Part 135 operations. It is not considering any Part 91 operations planned thereafter. If you plan the Part 135 legs within the 14 hours and get delayed for circumstances beyond your control, you may continue PART 135. Mentions nothing about PART 91 that isn't PART 135, which has NO Duty limitations. |
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| Msg ID: 2690689 |
So if you CAN continue past 14 Part 135, why go 91? (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Curious....
5/30/2021 11:09:56 AM Reply to: 2690673 |
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| Msg ID: 2690691 |
So you CAN PLAN to!! (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
5/30/2021 11:22:42 AM Reply to: 2690689 |
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| Msg ID: 2690693 |
Plan to what? (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:For what reason?
5/30/2021 11:31:10 AM Reply to: 2690691 |
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| Msg ID: 2690723 |
Plan to complete a Part 135 flight YOU'D like to see the (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:certificate holder & employees miss!
5/30/2021 2:03:09 PM Reply to: 2690693 |
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| Msg ID: 2690724 |
And customers (NICU/PEDE teams), and patients (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:too!
5/30/2021 2:04:07 PM Reply to: 2690723 |
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| Msg ID: 2690725 |
Flights they MISS because YOU are misleading them to (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:add flight legs that AREN'T Part 135!
5/30/2021 2:18:44 PM Reply to: 2690723 |
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| Msg ID: 2690660 |
Heard you can go beyond 14 hours under Part 135 +0/-0
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| Author:Been There, Done That
5/30/2021 2:34:15 AM Reply to: 2690605 |
Why would you want to? |
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| Msg ID: 2690670 |
For lots of good and legitimate reasons. (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
5/30/2021 8:51:33 AM Reply to: 2690660 |
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| Msg ID: 2690671 |
For lots of good and legitimate reasons. (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Name one
5/30/2021 8:59:06 AM Reply to: 2690670 |
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| Msg ID: 2690683 |
To be a professional working within the regulations +0/-0
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| Author:and go get the job done safely
5/30/2021 11:02:30 AM Reply to: 2690671 |
Why is the Union hell bent on trying to hinder pilot productivity, effectiveness, and efficiency? Is the union advocating ALL Part 135 operators not be allowed conduct tail-end Part 91 ops? Or, that ALL Part 91 operations be limited to 14 hours of a pilot being "awake"? Because that your argument here essentially! When you drop the medical crewmembers and patients, you are essentially just another Part 135 operator conducting Part 91; which is to say: just another Part 91 operator period! |
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| Msg ID: 2690686 |
You’re just upset because the UNION is correct and WINNING and you’re still (NT) +1/-0
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| Author:Just a QUITTER who is WRONG
5/30/2021 11:07:55 AM Reply to: 2690683 |
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| Msg ID: 2690980 |
See Converse-RedWing (2011) for details (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
6/1/2021 6:59:56 PM Reply to: 2690686 |
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| Msg ID: 2690687 |
Blane the Union? The Company agrees with Union as an organization so how is (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:It the Unions fault? BOTH agree with FAA
5/30/2021 11:08:50 AM Reply to: 2690683 |
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| Msg ID: 2690692 |
UNION and COMPANY guidance is the same except for a few managers... (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Follow rules. Hard concept. Communist
5/30/2021 11:30:45 AM Reply to: 2690687 |
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| Msg ID: 2690722 |
FARs are rules.... no FAR limits DUTY under 135.267(d) +0/-0
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| Author:or denies tail end Part 91 operations
5/30/2021 2:00:45 PM Reply to: 2690692 |
Those ARE the rules! |
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| Msg ID: 2690721 |
Problem is, the FAA doesn't say that! At all! So it's impossible +0/-0
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| Author:either are "agreeing with the FAA" here!
5/30/2021 1:50:14 PM Reply to: 2690687 |
FAA does not consider an operator to be bound by Part 135 rules when they have no medical crewmembers aboard or patient. Plain and simple. They are no different than ANY OTHER certificat holder conducting Part 91 operations at the point! Clearly explains it in: The preamble to the Final Rule establishing Subpart L (see 79 FR 9931) The NPRM for Subpart L (see 75 FR 62640) The NPRM for FAR 135.267(c) (see 49 FR 12141) Converse-RedWingAeroplane (2911) Jimenez (2011) Purdue (2015) Kleiner (2016) Moody-SevenBar Aviation (2017) Kalantari-Premier Air (2018) Slater (2015) |
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| Msg ID: 2690731 |
Heard you can go beyond 14 hours under Part 135 +1/-0
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5/30/2021 3:36:00 PM Reply to: 2690605 |
Not underatanding why everyone here seems to care so much about how the other guy does business. As for me, personally, if I'm not fatigued, I'll drop the med "crew" off, extend past hour 14, and get the helicopter back to base. That said, if you interpret the rule to mean that's prohibited, then by all means, DON'T extend. In my case, being able to reposition often affords me the flexibility to still make it back to base and head home for my off-period (assuming, again, that I'm not doing it while fatigued). Works out well for the company too, as the oncoming pilot can go pick up the med types. Seems like a win-win. |
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| Msg ID: 2690737 |
Heard you can go beyond 14 hours under Part 135 +0/-0
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| Author:Why
5/30/2021 5:12:35 PM Reply to: 2690731 |
Why are we discussing this?
Read your company policy and the FAR’s |
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| Msg ID: 2690752 |
FARs allow it and company policy does too often +0/-0
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| Author:(since it Part 91, FAA isn't concerned)
5/30/2021 7:41:18 PM Reply to: 2690737 |
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| Msg ID: 2690763 |
FARs allow it and company policy does too often +0/-0
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| Author:Holding Out
5/30/2021 9:40:36 PM Reply to: 2690752 |
Does the GOM still apply? Do you still have to follow all part 135 rules? 135 is passengers or cargo for hire. Is the medical equipment that is still on board cargo that the company is charging for on demand? I would say yes. |
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| Msg ID: 2690765 |
Nope, all owned by certificate holder. Part 91 is Part 91 +0/-0
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| Author:No FAR demand it be 135 when....
5/30/2021 9:54:26 PM Reply to: 2690763 |
...medical crewmembers are not aboard. Subpart L was instituted to protect medical crewmembers flying for company when they were previously considered company crewmembers eligible for Part 91 operations. So, when not aboard, they don't need the EXTRA protection: hence, Part 91 allowed and appropriate. So, the GAA will not enforce FAR 135 rules when the are NOT REQUIRED BY REGULATION. There is no DUTY LIMITATIONS under Part 91! |
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| Msg ID: 2690777 |
Nope, all owned by certificate holder. Part 91 is Part 91 +0/-0
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| Author:Holding Out
5/30/2021 11:14:06 PM Reply to: 2690765 |
So you don't have to follow the GOM. The GOM which is FAA approved. Is that what you are saying? |
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| Msg ID: 2690801 |
FAA is concerned about 135 parts re: REST, not 91 parts +0/-0
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| Author:Besides, following GOM
5/31/2021 10:20:43 AM Reply to: 2690777 |
Allows for Part 91 non revenue after flight assignment completed. If flight assignment is PLANNED to end somewhere and another flight assignment is PLANNED under Part 91 afterwards. FAA not picky about that since it is all IN COMPLIANCE WITH FAR 135 rules, like the GOM requires. Since there are no DUTY limitations under Part 135.267(d) [only REST requirements] or Part 91, you are in compliance! Win-win-win-win Win for company Win for Medical crewmembers/customers Win for pilot Win for patient Get required 10nhrs REST before next FAR 135.267(d) assignment! All complies with Part 135! |
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| Msg ID: 2690824 |
FAA is concerned about 135 parts re: REST, not 91 parts +0/-0
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| Author:Restman
5/31/2021 1:18:14 PM Reply to: 2690801 |
Under your plan, there would be no limit for duty day. Obviously that is not the intent of the crew rest regulations. |
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| Msg ID: 2690831 |
That's because there is no limit to duty day whatsoever +0/-0
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| Author:It's a lookback rest requirement, not...
5/31/2021 1:38:05 PM Reply to: 2690824 |
... a DUTY DAY LIMIT Say you are ON DUTY for 18 hours, you get a flight request for a Part 135 flight, you plan to end the assignment at hour 20, you do not meet the 135.267(d) look-back requirement to accept the flight. You cannot fly it not because you've exceeded a 14 hour DUTY LIMITATION (because there isn't one), but because you can't meet the REST requirement! Meanwhile, you are still on DUTY... |
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| Msg ID: 2690835 |
There Is A Limit To Duty Day When It Involves +0/-0
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| Author:All Commercial Flying
5/31/2021 1:47:08 PM Reply to: 2690831 |
And It's 14 hours, if there is any commercial flying that exceeds a 14 hour duty day. All company restraint must be released after 14 hours if it involves flying. Why wouldn't it? Under your plan, there would be no limit to how long you could fly past a 14 hour duty day, while under restraint for a company. Restraint would then be compliance with all company flight requirements, GOM, flight release, duty log, etc. |
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| Msg ID: 2690897 |
Nope. Not in any FAR you can cite! (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:You're making stuff up again!
5/31/2021 9:18:21 PM Reply to: 2690835 |
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| Msg ID: 2690941 |
Duty Period Slater guy always wrong on here (NT) +1/-0
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| Author:AirLife Florida must be real proud
6/1/2021 12:06:09 PM Reply to: 2690897 |
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| Msg ID: 2690951 |
See Slater (2015), Converse-RedWingAeroplane (2011), etc, etc. (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
6/1/2021 2:30:26 PM Reply to: 2690941 |
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| Msg ID: 2690988 |
How about the 8 citations you were given that TRUMP your claims and lack (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Of comprehension on DUTY
6/1/2021 8:35:40 PM Reply to: 2690951 |
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| Msg ID: 2690995 |
If you are saying there are 8, name just one! (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:Doubt you can and know you won't
6/1/2021 10:03:32 PM Reply to: 2690988 |
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| Msg ID: 2690996 |
Already did 3 times actually on this forum.... (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:You blind, ignorant, or dumb..all 3
6/1/2021 10:15:45 PM Reply to: 2690995 |
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| Msg ID: 2690998 |
Nope. Only made up stuff. From the start. Only (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:nada
6/1/2021 10:47:38 PM Reply to: 2690996 |
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| Msg ID: 2691048 |
Can you link here to ANY of those posts you (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:supposedly made? Just one?
6/2/2021 2:38:50 PM Reply to: 2690996 |
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