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Msg ID: 2676239 EMS +3/-0     
Author:I wish...
1/12/2021 3:04:44 PM

...more EMS jobs were 14/14.  I really would like to give that a go. 

Is there a reason they don't allow 14s?

Msg ID: 2676243 Fatigue? +8/-1     
Author:No Thanks
1/12/2021 3:51:33 PM

Reply to: 2676239
14 night shifts in a row sounds like torture.

Msg ID: 2676245 Fatigue? +21/-0     
Author:14/14 is terrible in EMS
1/12/2021 4:02:12 PM

Reply to: 2676243

You will end up in prison after you kill a nurse on day 12 or so.

Msg ID: 2676263 Fatigue? +5/-0     
Author:Love it.
1/12/2021 5:39:25 PM

Reply to: 2676245

Love the nurse and paramedic dedication but they tend to be the biggest blowharded self absorbed idiots on the planet.  They work so much reality just slips right past them.

Msg ID: 2676266 Fatigue? +3/-0     
Author:Nurse dedication
1/12/2021 5:58:20 PM

Reply to: 2676263

Lol. Never seen that from a flight nurse. They're mostly dedicated to Netflix and their phones.

Msg ID: 2676333 Fatigue? +0/-1     
1/13/2021 10:55:48 AM

Reply to: 2676266

You got the point; moot as it was.

Msg ID: 2676276 Fatigue? +3/-0     
1/12/2021 7:18:46 PM

Reply to: 2676243

14 night shifts in a row sounds amazing. Hell, I would do all night shifts if I could. I go to bed immediately after pre-flighting. Even if I get a flight, I can get at least 7 hours of sleep. It's almost As good as a day off. Now 14 day shifts on the other hand... That sounds terrible. 

Msg ID: 2676278 Fatigue? +1/-0     
Author:Depends on the base
1/12/2021 7:32:42 PM

Reply to: 2676276

Plan on being up all night at some. Plan on it anyway.

Msg ID: 2676646 Fatigue? +0/-0     
1/15/2021 11:46:44 AM

Reply to: 2676243

and ur not kidding.

Msg ID: 2676261 EMS +4/-0     
1/12/2021 5:35:11 PM

Reply to: 2676239

burned out by 7.

Msg ID: 2676264 EMS +8/-1     
1/12/2021 5:45:39 PM

Reply to: 2676261

Reason I did as little OT as possible.  84+ hours in 7 days is enough.

Msg ID: 2676269 EMS +3/-0     
Author:After a week of babysitting
1/12/2021 6:18:56 PM

Reply to: 2676264

People I wouldn't let brorrow my lawn mower, As it's been said, Enough is Enough

Msg ID: 2676647 EMS +0/-0     
1/15/2021 11:47:47 AM

Reply to: 2676269

well said!

Amazing how children persist in being children!

Msg ID: 2676295 EMS (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Big Bob
1/12/2021 10:40:39 PM

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Msg ID: 2676296 EMS +0/-0     
1/12/2021 11:01:19 PM

Reply to: 2676295

CAMTS generally doesn't allow for 14/14. In some cases they will accept that.

Msg ID: 2676300 EMS +2/-0     
1/13/2021 12:07:05 AM

Reply to: 2676296

you pay, they'll "allow" it.

envious of their shakedown scam

Msg ID: 2676309 I do 14's and would not do 7's +1/-5     
Author:Not enough time off
1/13/2021 8:19:36 AM

Reply to: 2676300

I love listening to EMS pilots complain, especially those who went to Silver State (or equiv.) then went into "tours" (round and round the merry go round) after "flight instructing" ( teaching recently acquired poor habits to the "next-gen") at the same place in the same weather for peanuts ...... They have never had a real job in a real place doing real helicopter things. Damnit, they have never had a real job anywhere doing anything outside the veil of their parents support!

After all, who could or would trust the decision making skills of a IPAD and game-boy driver who thought it made economical sense to spend 50k to be allowed to work for peanuts for a couple of years to land a 70k job? Seriously, if you have that much (or are stupid enough to borrow that much) to be a "pilot", why not get an education and make some serious $$$?

Then there are the "second career" former "bankers" (worked in a loan department), "accountants" (worked in a tax return mill, and "professionals" (managed a Wendy's), who just want to be the guy like the guys that stole their girlfriends and wives (or boyfriends, soul mates, life partners, or whatever)

If they were smart, they would get an RN and be "that guy"!

Msg ID: 2676310 I do 14's and would not do 7's +1/-1     
Author:Sorry got off subject
1/13/2021 8:23:17 AM

Reply to: 2676309

Anyways, 14's are easy, even the CAMTS approved 7 days followed by 7 nights are easy, and then you get 14 (okay maybe 13) off to do other things

Man up, mom will still be there when you get home.

Or join the US military and learn to live in a structured society, get further education pais assistance and be a pilot and have a resonable back up plan for when you fail the medical (imminent).

Msg ID: 2676427 I do 14's and would not do 7's +1/-0     
Author:Mom may be there when you get
1/13/2021 6:42:35 PM

Reply to: 2676310

home. One day she will not, though.

Msg ID: 2676335 I do 14's and would not do 7's +1/-1     
1/13/2021 10:58:05 AM

Reply to: 2676309

burn out of the med gig in two years.  

Nothing beats not having to work for a living, and flying is one of them.

Let me know if you discover others, please, please, please, pleeaasseeeeeeeeeee.

Hate working.


Msg ID: 2676637 I do 14's and would not do 7's +0/-0     
Author:must be a new guy
1/15/2021 11:36:44 AM

Reply to: 2676335

if you are at a job for 84 hours a week and would rather not be there, I'd call that working.

Msg ID: 2676381 You have the same amount of time off either way (NT) +0/-0     
Author:(Unless you are deadheading)
1/13/2021 2:05:21 PM

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Msg ID: 2676483 So, with that logic you would be okay with a +0/-1     
Author:one and one schedule?
1/14/2021 8:34:05 AM

Reply to: 2676381

seven days off is just a long weekend. I guess if you are never wanting to go somewhere different and enjoy a vacation every month then 7/7 would work. Me, I'll take the 14 off.

Msg ID: 2676625 S C R E W . That! +0/-0     
1/15/2021 10:21:46 AM

Reply to: 2676239

I don't even like 7-7.  I started EMS years ago when that wasn't allowed.  3-3-6 or a 2-2-3 was the usual schedule.  I don't need a vacation every other week.  Just sayin.

Msg ID: 2676988 SEVERAL PHI EMS BASES DO 14/14 +0/-0     
1/19/2021 11:02:35 AM

Reply to: 2676625

several of their EMS commuter bases started it and has worked out really well for them and they do it at the COMMUTER Bases where they have pilot housing usually it is a 7 days and 7 nights.....several of their POOL Pilots are Also on a 10/10 and 14/14 sched....seems to be working out for them the past couple of years...if you worked in the GOM your used to it....

Msg ID: 2677310 S C R E W . That! +0/-0     
1/21/2021 3:35:10 PM

Reply to: 2676625

did the 3-3-6 but 7&7 allowed assurance of a weekend off each time not on shifts.

Liked 3 3 6 except for the weekend thing.

HAA is a job that can get reaaaaaallllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy tiring, especially putting up with the windging and baloney of the medical people.  

Poorly melded team concepts are to blame in my mind.  It, the business, is all about the medical characters, not about team work.  Had a medical type tell me they were the customer so I could take a hike over a contentious conversation.  Well, I put the operation down, and a whole lot ensued but that situation was sorted out and junior smart ash got a warning letter from the hospital.  Seems the patient is the customer - yeah, that's what it is.  




Msg ID: 2677319 S C R E W . That! +1/-0     
1/21/2021 6:29:49 PM

Reply to: 2677310

The patient is the med crew's customer and the med crew is the pilot's customer. A lotta guys just can't get their heads around this concept. They usually don't last too long. The few that can and do understand the concept spend as long as they want in HAA and never have any crew problems or personal problems. 

If you think you are in charge of the business operation as the pilot, best thing for you is stick to tours or utility or something else. You won't last long in HAA.