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Msg ID: 2669679 206L's to 407s +0/-0     
Author:mr bored
11/17/2020 11:58:50 PM

Been flying 206L3's and 4's for a couple years and might go to a 407 here in a bit. I think GX or GXP im not sure which or the differences.

Anything to be excited about or just another set of blades?

Noticable power increase?

Does the tail rotor suck just as bad or is that an improvment as well.

Will be flying mostly utility work, but still would like to hear input regardless of the type of flying you've done in it.

go!



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Msg ID: 2669680 206L's to 407s +6/-0     
Author:offshore and EMS
11/18/2020 12:08:03 AM

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Lots of power, very good TR, gets hot at higher altitudes at normal cruise power on hot days. Anybody that says the 500 is the sports car of helicopters has never flown a 407. I have only flown the original version but have about 4,000 hours in it. The hydraulic pedals are nice, too.



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Msg ID: 2669682 206L's to 407s +2/-0     
Author:mr bored
11/18/2020 12:24:39 AM

Reply to: 2669680

thanks for the reply.

glad to hear they figured out the TR. Obviously I've survived this long with the Longrangers doing longline, but more authority will be a welcome change. 

 

90% of my flying is above 8k so I will keep a good eye on the temps.



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Msg ID: 2669686 206L's to 407s +7/-0     
Author:135/407 driver
11/18/2020 1:28:58 AM

Reply to: 2669682

Love the 407. It is an absolute racecar. Plenty of power and like the previous responder pointed out it does run hot in the summer and in high altitudes. The hydraulic pedals are night and day compared to the L models. The FADEC is a nice system but don't get too comfortable during the start and do other tasks. It can fail and will cook an engine. Also, verify the throttle is completely in the fly position prior to take off. The NR/NP will show 100% with the throttle set at about 82-85 on the throttle. One more thing, when doing fadec ep's know that if the aircraft has a stiff fly detent you will have to roll pass that. You have more travel in the throttle which is additional power and you will need to use it in certain scenarios. Other than that have a blast!



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Msg ID: 2670129 At 8k feet it won't lift (NT) +0/-1     
Author:a five gallon bucket
11/20/2020 2:47:56 PM

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Msg ID: 2669817 206L's to 407s +1/-0     
Author:Really? How much 500 time do you have?
11/18/2020 8:01:29 PM

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Any?

Didn't think so as there is no comparision.



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Msg ID: 2669685 206L's to 407s +5/-1     
Author:407
11/18/2020 1:28:37 AM

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Limited experience in the 500 (maybe 5 hours?) but even the old 407 is way better.  Super light on the controls, good TR authority and very stable RPM even if you fly it like you stole it.  No fatigue like flying the 500 for a couple hours.  

Compared to the 206 it's faster, smoother, better TR, no RPM lag with power changes, more power.  All positive.  



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Msg ID: 2669781 206L's to 407s +2/-0     
Author:lots of time in both...
11/18/2020 3:55:58 PM

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if you think about the Longranger and what you might improve upon....you get the 407.  Great aircraft, you'll love it.  The only drawback is when it's hot and high, then it's more like an L-1.  Hot and high you never see the torque limit, it will be all MGT.



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Msg ID: 2669791 206L's to 407s +2/-0     
Author:OG
11/18/2020 4:57:44 PM

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The 407 is definetly the 206 gone right. Love the aircraft, it's a sports car and work horse rolled up in one. I have worked many fires in the 407s and 212s. The 407, except for interior space, is fantastic. In external loads, particularly over long distances, it works rings around a 212.

 



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Msg ID: 2669800 Eagle conversion? (NT) +0/-0     
Author:I would love to try one.
11/18/2020 5:52:24 PM

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Msg ID: 2669810 206L's to 407s +0/-0     
Author:mr bored.
11/18/2020 7:14:48 PM

Reply to: 2669791

seriously thanks for all of the helpful replies everyone. Pretty excited to get into it.

Now to get slightly off topic, how do you rate it against the Astar? particulary the B3e.

Or is that where the 407HP comes in...



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Msg ID: 2669819 B3e (NT) +0/-0     
Author:wins
11/18/2020 8:13:02 PM

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Msg ID: 2669824 B3e +3/-0     
Author:EagleHP
11/18/2020 8:38:56 PM

Reply to: 2669819

The eagle HP is great. like someone said before... the 407 is everything you want fixed on the 206. The HP is everything you want fixed on the 407. load calcs for fire the HP was 400-600lbs above the B3e at 7,500/25. with the B3e being unlocked they should narrow a bit and eagle is working on an internal gross increase that will help negate the conversion weight penalty. 



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Msg ID: 2671158 206L's to 407s +0/-0     
Author:retired
11/29/2020 5:30:20 PM

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407 cruise speed is 5 or 10 mph faster than a b3 A-star on average.  However, I've seen 407's that won't do 130kt. and others that could do 150kt. all day when they're light and cold. 

 The 350b3 will out lift the 407 by a couple hundred pounds at high altitudes.



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Msg ID: 2670824 206L's to 407s +0/-0     
Author:HP
11/26/2020 12:28:13 PM

Reply to: 2669679

Do the HP upgrade.



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