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Msg ID: 2668028 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +18/-6     
11/9/2020 10:27:34 AM finding fault or error in this analysis:

An illegal alien picks cabbage--600 per hour, 10 hours per day, for $15.00 an hour under the table, and no benefits whatsoever.

Total cost $150.00, total cabbages 6000, cost per cabbage 2 1/2 cents. Our Government loses FICA and income tax, and our citizenry loses one job.

An American citizen picks the cabbage--of course, the wages and benefits have to be adjusted so as to attract an American worker (that is the Free Enterprise System...what, you don't like it--?). The American picks 150 cabbages per hour, 8 hours per day, for $25.00 per hour, plus net cost of $5.00 per hour for various benefits. 

Total cost $240.00, total cabbages 1200, cost per cabbage 20 cents. That's 17 1/2 cents more per cabbage. Our Government gains FICA to fund Social Security and income tax to pay down the National Debt, which Free Enterprisers think is a big problem, left unpaid. 

Now the question is: Would you agree that 17 1/2 cents more for a head of cabbage is worth a) putting Americans to work, b) denying illegal aliens work and therefore incentive to come here and stay here, burdening our System, c) funding our Social Security (and therefore reducing burden of caring for Senior Citizens) and our Government--? Most Free Enterprisers don't think so; they would rather have cheap cabbage than a Good Strong America--which is exactly the opposite of what they say. 

Funny thing about Free Enterprisers...they say one thing and do another. 

Msg ID: 2668031 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +1/-0     
11/9/2020 10:44:42 AM

Reply to: 2668028

Seems solid, agree with 20 cents/cabbage.

Msg ID: 2668036 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +2/-1     
11/9/2020 11:12:41 AM

Reply to: 2668031

I dont really care for cabbage

Msg ID: 2668061 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +2/-1     
11/9/2020 2:12:41 PM

Reply to: 2668036

like cole slaw?  If yes, u like cabbage, if no, I believe you.

Msg ID: 2668037 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +2/-2     
11/9/2020 11:19:19 AM

Reply to: 2668028

Robots will pick cabbage they will run on solar power and pick cabbages 24/7 at a rate of 6000 an hour and government will pay you to eat cabbage at a rate of $15 per cabbage, due to the fact that it will reduce healthcare costs and create 20 million new jobs at the sewage plants.

Msg ID: 2668039 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +6/-1     
11/9/2020 11:21:13 AM

Reply to: 2668037

If you don't eat cabbage you will have to pay a min of $15 a day fine , to avoid the mandate.

Msg ID: 2668085 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +3/-0     
Author:Or take it
11/9/2020 5:35:48 PM

Reply to: 2668039

a little further as in China when a village was told the next time a familiy winds up in process of developing another child the whole village would be steriized.

What?  Bit much?  Just communism at its best.

Msg ID: 2668038 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +13/-0     
Author:finding a fault
11/9/2020 11:19:33 AM

Reply to: 2668028

Americans don't want to pick cabbages, unless it involves sitting in a hands off, GPS guided, automated cabbage picking machine, an air conditioned, WiFi compliant cab with an ergonomic seat and a full cooler!

Msg ID: 2668043 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +1/-0     
11/9/2020 11:48:21 AM

Reply to: 2668038

much for spoiled brats!!

Msg ID: 2668048 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +8/-2     
Author:Rocky P Squirrel
11/9/2020 12:14:10 PM

Reply to: 2668043

The real problem is the greedy owners who Pick the cabbage. Like all other businesses, they hire illegals because it puts more $$$ in the owners acct. They don't give a rats @$$ about the debt/Social Security or anything related to society, just them selves!! I know & am aquaintance W/Fence Co. owenr. He hated DJT because he wanted to STOP Illegal Immigration from coming & havine Co. Owners do that!!! He NEVER  SAID STOP LEGAL Immigration BUT That doesn't fit the Bleeding Hearted POS Main Stream Media Agenda who wanted him GONE from the time he won!!!

Msg ID: 2668053 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +3/-0     
Author:Soooo not true
11/9/2020 12:51:14 PM

Reply to: 2668038

When I was a teen or in my early 20s I would have happily taken 25$ an hour to work in a field over washing dishes, where i made 3.25 an hour.

Msg ID: 2668052 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +2/-0     
Author:cabbage man
11/9/2020 12:43:09 PM

Reply to: 2668028

you forgot to factor the cost of soil tillage, machinery, fuel, land rental , property taxes, crop insurance, herbicides, pesticides, irrigation, crop storage, transportation,  labor for the above, probably a few things im missing. my point being the cost of picking the cabbages is only a small part of the actual total cost. I know this because i used to be in the cabbage growing buisness (labor). Ill tell you what, you round up a bunch of americans willing to work in a cabbage field, and then a cabbage grower that can afford to pay 25 an hour, and well have another discussion about the economics of the cabbage industry. 

Msg ID: 2668120 uhhhhh +0/-0     
11/10/2020 7:57:48 AM

Reply to: 2668052

seems like all those costs are included no matter who picks the lettuce. pay attention: the guy is talking about LABOR COSTS as a FRACTION OF THE END COST OF THE CABBAGE (or, if you don't get the point, about whatever the item is for sale...). you pay the illegals under the table to save a few cents, you put americans out of the job market, flush taxes that could be collected, and send currency out of the country, all to SAVE A FEW CENTS AND MOST OF THAT ENDS UP IN YOUR FILTHY RICH POCKET, RICH GUY. ...most people think that paying americans a living american wage and bennies instead of using illegals for a fraction of the dough, under the table (and why the F don't the rich folks who do this ever end up in the slam, hmmmmm??) would like, double or triple the cost of goods. but it ain't so, because LABOR is only a FRACTION of the cost of goods and if you paid right, that FRACTION increases, but it doesn't double or triple goods cost. wake the F up, Americans...

Msg ID: 2668135 uhhhhh +0/-0     
Author:Cabbage man
11/10/2020 8:52:44 AM

Reply to: 2668120

Ok, if your so interested go to the browser and search cabbage picking machine and you'll see how it's done.

Msg ID: 2668146 here's your ticket +1/-0     
Author:to the clue train
11/10/2020 11:24:47 AM

Reply to: 2668135

"cabbage" was kinda a symbol for some kind of agricultural production or even some kind of industrial operation that involved human labor, and whether it was done by illegals on the cheap and under the table, or americans at good wages and benefits. I don't think he meant, literally, heads of cabbage. ya think? get a clue, einstein.

Msg ID: 2668056 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +2/-0     
Author:Berries in NJ
11/9/2020 1:24:32 PM

Reply to: 2668028

A neighbor use to bring Mexicans in every year to work the farm because he couldn't get locals. He had a row of cabins with a common kitchen and bathroom for the workers, and treated them pretty well. So much so that the same ones came back every year and brought other family members to fill vacancies. Government decided each cabin needed electric and running water, he complied. 4 years later government decided each cabin should have air conditioning, something my friend didn't have in his own house. He shut the buisness down and sent everyone home. Now he lets the land but misses his friends.

Msg ID: 2668067 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +2/-0     
Author:Mr. Rogers
11/9/2020 2:55:25 PM

Reply to: 2668056
Nice Neighborhood of Make Believe story.

I like the one about King Friday and X the Owl on Planet Purple.

Msg ID: 2668111 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +0/-0     
Author:same, same
11/10/2020 12:19:42 AM

Reply to: 2668056

Tobacco in Virginia.

But that's a legit gov't sanctioned guest worker program. Not illegals.

Msg ID: 2668122 hmmmmmmmmmmmm +0/-0     
11/10/2020 8:00:19 AM

Reply to: 2668056

the moral of the story is that he took gubmint money as a subsidy, right? which is why the gubmint had a say in the working conditions, right? and if he had been a good free enterpriser like he probably shot his mouth off all the time about being, and hadn't-a took the gubmint money, he coulda worked the wetbacks without a/c and running water and toilets, right? right. consistency: it's so hard.

Msg ID: 2668138 hmmmmmmmmmmmm +0/-0     
Author:Stupid argument
11/10/2020 9:29:26 AM

Reply to: 2668122

You can tell you are too stupid to understand the real dilemma. Forget the job and "it's a job no American wants," argument. The real issue is that illegals come to the US for such jobs then overwhelm the healthcare system as one example. Democrats very typically have open boarders. California is just starting to recover from 8 years of illegals loading the health care system. 

Later, they start complaining and want Government subsidies. And it begins.....

Msg ID: 2668209 Cali folks +2/-0     
11/10/2020 5:36:17 PM

Reply to: 2668138

ruined Cali, then Migrate to Texas and Arizona to vote for the same stupid bs that ruined their home state.  All I know is the next Cali plate I see cut me off on a Texas Highway is gonna get run off into the ditch.

Msg ID: 2668260 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +2/-0     
Author:His P. Anic
11/10/2020 9:09:58 PM

Reply to: 2668028

When I was in high school during the summer, I did all kinds of farm work, and I'm not Mexican. So there is a real flaw in your reasoning. You have little to no understanding of basic economics.

Msg ID: 2668482 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +1/-0     
Author:You had me until
11/11/2020 9:56:23 PM

Reply to: 2668028

illegal alien.

And btw, nobody likes cabbage.

Msg ID: 2668489 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +0/-0     
11/11/2020 10:32:11 PM

Reply to: 2668482

cabbage always makes me fart

Msg ID: 2668588 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +0/-0     
Author:yeah, that's a horrible word
11/12/2020 11:19:54 AM

Reply to: 2668482

to use for an alien who illegally enters the country...I like UDD (undocumented democrat).

Msg ID: 2669136 No One Has Ever Succeeded... +0/-0     
Author:Its all about the cabbage
11/14/2020 7:34:07 PM

Reply to: 2668482

it always was

Msg ID: 2668509 Error +0/-0     
11/12/2020 2:46:41 AM

Reply to: 2668028
I would have to hire 4x the American workers at the higher wages for 1 illegal. 1 illegal = 600 cabbages 1 America = 150 cabbages 4 America = 600 cabbages. To get the same about of production, do I have to increase of labor force by 400%? Where can I get a government grant to pay for 400% more equipment and PPE? Is my government subsidies going to cover all my labor costs? How am I supposed to complete with Mexico cabbage farms that pay there employees $4 usd per hr. Is 1 illegal taking taking 4 American jobs? Is the American workers going to start a union? How many of the American workers have a meth addiction? Do any of the Americans have any experience using Lorsban or roundup? What is the workman comp premium on 4 Americans working in agriculture? How much does a lawyer cost to defend 4 workman's comp claims vs buying 1 illegal a new pick up truck. When has the last time the government paid down the national debt?