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Msg ID: 2618814 NTSB Preliminary Report +2/-0     
Author:S-76B Crash
2/9/2020 8:54:41 AM

Msg ID: 2618819 Pretty good detailed explanation of the report +2/-0     
Author:This guy is pretty good
2/9/2020 9:30:56 AM

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Msg ID: 2618824 On Top Of Loss Of Life +35/-2     
Author:Will Cost Us All
2/9/2020 9:58:20 AM

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A fully cpapable S-76B with four axis autopilot, FMS, radar altimeter, etc. is flown into the ground by a pilot trying to scud run at top speed in a helicopter with not great visibilty outside from the cockpit, killing himself and 8 paxs.

Now those of us in the industry will pay because politicians will get invovled in another thing they know nothing about and will make horrible laws and restrictions.






Msg ID: 2618842 don't worry, people soon forget (NT) +1/-0     
Author:dementia dude
2/9/2020 10:30:17 AM

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Msg ID: 2618900 Agreed but... +24/-1     
2/9/2020 1:00:02 PM

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How do pilots police pilots?

I'm a old guy and other a very short time flying HAA, which nearly made my head explode, I've been flying utillity my wholel life.

Half or more of the flying I do is in conditions like, or worse, those on the day of this accident.  I've never hit or hurt anything or anyone.

I've been telling pilots for years, when the vis goes down, you slow down and go down.  You're in a helicopter, not an airplane.  You cam turn around, you can fly as slow as you want, you can hover and even land if you need too.

And half or more of those pilots think I'm crazy, that you should never slow down in low vis.  Hell, most of them fly just like this guy did, at cruise speed blasting through the bottom of the cloud layer when there's 1490 feet of clear sky below them.

I've even said it on here and I get the same response.  You guys could learn something by listenting to pilots who do this type of thing for a living.

If you work for a company that's going to fire you because you landed in poor vis, then you're working for the wrong company.  And bottom line, so what?  At least your alive.  There's plenty of heli jobs out there for competent qualified pilots.

Learn these rules and live by them.

1. NEVER lose sight of your ground reference.  If it's starting to fade, you better have another one or turn back towrds it.

2. When vis goes down, Slow down, and get down.  Do not fly along the bottom of the clouds.  If you're worried about wires or towers etc, then go slower, or land.  

3. IF you go IIMC, immediately commit to IFR.  Get on the instruments, use yoru scan that you're proficient in, climb towards known lower terrain, communicate with ATC.

Live to tell your story on here one day.

Msg ID: 2618939 Amen AKGuy +3/-0     
Author:You Said It
2/9/2020 3:18:09 PM

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Have been preaching the same for years.

Msg ID: 2619018 Agreed but... +3/-0     
Author:Old AK guy myself
2/9/2020 9:22:58 PM

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 You've said many times I'm sure. Me too. It's been said many times on this very forum.

 I keep reading and seeing 'experts' in the news talking about how helicopters become unstable at slow speed and the correct couse is just climb, keep the speed up and call ATC for help. I agree with you. Never lose sight of the ground! You will die. I guess all the 'experts' need a few Alaska seasons to discover that. 

 In this case from my LA basin experience he didn't ever get high enough for SoCal Approach, panicked and then blasted back down hoping to see the ground again. He probably did for a second before impact. At 4000 FPM decent 


Msg ID: 2619068 Agreed but... +2/-0     
2/10/2020 7:25:19 AM

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Every pilot that I trust agrees with you.

Msg ID: 2619137 Agreed but... +2/-0     
2/10/2020 12:42:35 PM

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I've hovered along the road many times.

Msg ID: 2618979 On Top Of Loss Of Life +2/-0     
2/9/2020 6:26:28 PM

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but if you want to stop the baloney you have to dig in and start communicating to those in gogvernment so involved.

Msg ID: 2619267 On Top Of Loss Of Life +2/-0     
2/10/2020 11:10:18 PM

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saying the pilot was flying at high speed throughout all that flying and maneuvering leading up to eh final high speed descent?  Bit preliminary.

Msg ID: 2619334 On Top Of Loss Of Life +2/-0     
Author:I looked at the radar track
2/11/2020 8:29:52 AM

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Before it was removed from the internet, i looked at the radar returns, never slowed down.

Msg ID: 2619458 On Top Of Loss Of Life +0/-0     
Author:Thank you
2/11/2020 5:14:13 PM

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for the input.

Msg ID: 2620158 On Top Of Loss Of Life +1/-0     
Author:SL Vne
2/15/2020 4:29:28 PM

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is 155.  

Msg ID: 2620047 On Top Of Loss Of Life +2/-0     
Author:May happen.
2/14/2020 8:04:27 PM

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Especially in medium to large helicopters. 

Bill already in Congress proposing TAWS.  

Msg ID: 2618829 Seriously embarrassing, a black eye for our industry (NT) +2/-0     
Author:Rock E. Maracino
2/9/2020 10:01:20 AM

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