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Msg ID: 2587025 R.van winkle +0/-0     
Author:Zzzzzzzzz
8/10/2019 2:46:23 PM
www.wcvb.com/article/faa-investigates-report-of-boston-medflight-pilot-falling-asleep-at-controls-with-patient-aboard/28662524 Sorry if you have to cut and paste.


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Msg ID: 2587029 R.van winkle +0/-0     
Author:Sleepy
8/10/2019 3:12:56 PM

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https://www.wcvb.com/article/faa-investigates-report-of-boston-medflight-pilot-falling-asleep-at-controls-with-patient-aboard/28662524

 



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Msg ID: 2587057 R.van winkle +0/-0     
Author:butters
8/10/2019 6:43:25 PM

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Can't help but be reminded of Freddy's words to me when I asked him about flying tours when tired due to excessively long shifts... "Just suck it up and bear through it" This idustry sucks!!!


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Msg ID: 2587035 R.van winkle +0/-0     
Author:Sleepy Joe
8/10/2019 3:25:10 PM

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It is because he was working so much OT and had a second job.   No sleep.  



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Msg ID: 2587038 Travel and rest policy +0/-0     
Author:Still in effect?
8/10/2019 4:15:10 PM

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Heard thru the rumor mill that they had many pilots not happy about commute vs. duty time issues. Is that still happening?


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Msg ID: 2587046 Travel and rest policy +0/-0     
Author:The commute is not part of duty day
8/10/2019 4:58:10 PM

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Read part 135



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Msg ID: 2587051 Travel and rest policy +0/-0     
Author:Good thing that autopilot
8/10/2019 5:37:20 PM

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Worked or they would be another statistic.



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Msg ID: 2587059 Travel and rest policy +0/-0     
Author:Nah
8/10/2019 7:29:19 PM

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I think the med crew might have said something before they slammed into the ground. They’re not that dumb.



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Msg ID: 2587107 Travel and rest policy +0/-0     
Author:???
8/11/2019 6:48:02 AM

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maybe but thay let him overfly the destination were they asleep also?

 



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Msg ID: 2587229 Travel and rest policy +0/-0     
Author:Doubt it
8/11/2019 8:10:15 PM

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They May have been asleep, but doubtful they would intentionally let him overfly destination. This one is on the PIC. 



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Msg ID: 2587062 Very interesting, considering: +1/-0     
Author:Anonymous
8/10/2019 7:53:45 PM

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Boston MedFlight chief executive Maura Hughes said in a statement that the company found fatigue was a factor and is working with a fatigue management consultant and safety consultant to review company policies and procedures.

The pilot no longer works for Boston MedFlight. The company says it flies more than 1,840 critical care transport missions annually.

 

This is very interesting considering Bostong Medflight was involved with a AIR21 case where they forced a pilot to exceed his DUTY TIME when they were a non-air carrier (they had the vendor pilot fired for not agreeing to work in excess of legal 14 hrs duty-time rules). 

 

Now, they are their own air carrier... with pilots falling asleep at the wheel apparently.   I'd really like to look at their duty-time sheets to see if they are having pilots work "under the table", so-to-speak (i.e, not counting work as duty time)



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Msg ID: 2587064 for those who don't remember: +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
8/10/2019 7:54:59 PM

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https://www.osha.gov/news/newsreleases/region1/03282018

 



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Msg ID: 2587066 what is sad.... +5/-0     
Author:Anonymous
8/10/2019 7:57:49 PM

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BMF was not the air carrier, yet, DOL cited them as being the infuelnce behind the violation.   Then the FAA gives them an air carrier certificate.   and, I'm baffled why they didn't penilize them for violation of may other rules/regulations!

 

That's why the FAA is really NOT with it!



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Msg ID: 2587130 what is sad.... +1/-0     
Author:Really?
8/11/2019 9:32:08 AM

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This is the same FAA that let Boeing, essentially, self-certify the Max -8.  The airlines and manufacturers are the FAA’s “clients,” not the flying public. 



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Msg ID: 2587095 Very interesting, considering: +1/-0     
Author:Nope
8/11/2019 12:04:30 AM

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Would never work for these guys. Medcrew runs the show and pilots will get fired if they have any issues with you at all. Get pressure to fly as well. Need to pay for that big fancy C++



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Msg ID: 2587113 Very interesting, considering: +2/-0     
Author:4 mer hems
8/11/2019 8:41:36 AM

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Lets be real , we all know the med crew dimed him out!!!They were asleep and he probably asked them a? And woke their azz up . We all been there in this bs industry.



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Msg ID: 2587337 Rats in the room +4/-0     
Author:Bad PR
8/12/2019 7:00:32 PM

Reply to: 2587113
Someone's haste to burn a pilot has now totally backfired. This could have been dealt with internally, without the public announcement. Now you have a reputation problem and more reason for frequent visits with the FAA.

Enjoy that new certificate. It could be short lived.


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Msg ID: 2587339 Yup, bad PR +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
8/12/2019 7:51:01 PM

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The med crew was probably texting in the back the whole time saying they were "charting" (which they do, of course, but it's always a convenient excuse).

Bad PR, my risk failure of contract renewal, more looks by FAA... 



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Msg ID: 2587353 No contract, they have a 135 certificate (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Wake up
8/12/2019 10:03:08 PM

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Msg ID: 2587580 No contract, they have a 135 certificate (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Yes, but for now long?
8/14/2019 8:40:08 AM

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Msg ID: 2587684 how do you "chart" in flight, texting, without also (NT) +0/-0     
Author:violating the FCC rules?
8/14/2019 9:21:26 PM

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Msg ID: 2587698 R.van winkle +0/-0     
Author:It's a good thing that has
8/15/2019 12:57:26 AM

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never happened on an airplane full of passengers. 



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Msg ID: 2587816 When I was at the regionals (before I came back) +0/-0     
Author:my Captain (PF) used to fall asleep...
8/15/2019 8:50:49 PM

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all the time.   Auto pilot flew it, and I answered the radio.  True story!



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